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Sweden reported 3,396 new cases confirmed on October 28, 2020, which was the highest number of new cases in a single day so far and double the highest number reported on Jun 24; the highest in the first wave.

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We have had to accept now that we will probably not see our granchildren until Easter- perhaps ... Really tough- last time was for half-term in February. Really struggling with this.
So sorry Jackie! This is heartbreaking for you I am sure
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We have had to accept now that we will probably not see our granchildren until Easter- perhaps ... Really tough- last time was for half-term in February. Really struggling with this.
We're not going to visit grandparents till Easter. My father in law is 80 and had a very serious health problem a few years ago. I can't even say what's in our hearts.
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We're not going to visit grandparents till Easter. My father in law is 80 and had a very serious health problem a few years ago. I can't even say what's in our hearts.
So sorry to read this greenmount... It is so tough when living abroad and have parents/family members struggling with health issues. In short, it stinks! I can relate and my heart goes out to you. Not easy on all levels!
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So sorry to read this greenmount... It is so tough when living abroad and have parents/family members struggling with health issues. In short, it stinks! I can relate and my heart goes out to you. Not easy on all levels!
Thank you for your kind words, terrifisch. Much appreciated. Something is good though, they're all in good spirits so far. Nobody is (yet) depressed.

I wanted to write JackieH that technology can be put to good use under these circumstances. We're talking on the phone daily, it is some sort of relief, especially for folks back home. We're constantly sending pictures with whatever we do, our "artefacts", what we cooked, whatever we found interesting or funny via WhatsApp. I'm very proud all the "oldies" know how to use it. (they were instructed, my brother is the most patient teacher, I should know that )
There are ways to keep in contact and communicate every day, it is not all lost. Patience, we'll get through it.
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Probably but can't see anything definite in the announcements so far. Outbound travel is basically kiĺled apart from business so I guess inward will be difficult...probably won't be any flights anyway.

As someone who commutes to/from UK regularly I've seen Easyjet and BA both cancel all their flights between UK and Zurich over the last couple of months again short-term. Swiss are now down to 1 a day at the most weird random times (9.45 on a Friday morning vs Friday evening?!) as well between Heathrow and Zurich.

That said the last few times I've flown we've had 20-30 passengers on a 200+ seat plane - no one can expect airlines to keep that going for long.
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As someone who commutes to/from UK regularly I've seen Easyjet and BA both cancel all their flights between UK and Zurich over the last couple of months again short-term. Swiss are now down to 1 a day at the most weird random times (9.45 on a Friday morning vs Friday evening?!) as well between Heathrow and Zurich.

That said the last few times I've flown we've had 20-30 passengers on a 200+ seat plane - no one can expect airlines to keep that going for long.
The lay-offs started long back, a friend is a pilot-captain who was made redundant sometime beginning of April. It is really sad and stressful. He doesn't think flying will ever be the same after, when travel picks up again.

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As someone who commutes to/from UK regularly I've seen Easyjet and BA both cancel all their flights between UK and Zurich over the last couple of months again short-term. Swiss are now down to 1 a day at the most weird random times (9.45 on a Friday morning vs Friday evening?!) as well between Heathrow and Zurich.

That said the last few times I've flown we've had 20-30 passengers on a 200+ seat plane - no one can expect airlines to keep that going for long.
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The lay-offs started long back, a friend is a pilot-captain who was made redundant sometime beginning of April. It is really sad and sttessful. He doesn't think flying will ever be the same after, when travel picks up again.
It's the airports too, those shopping centres with runways.. Many of those are on the brink too..
The winter slowdown has already kicked in for the airlines too, even the routes they could mostly fill like Geneva to Lisbon are drying up..
Talking to somebody pretty senior easyJet this week, they won't make it past April without intervention.

It's going to be a different industry for sure.
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It's the airports too, those shopping centres with runways.. Many of those are on the brink too..
The winter slowdown has already kicked in for the airlines too, even the routes they could mostly fill like Geneva to Lisbon are drying up..
Talking to somebody pretty senior easyJet this week, they won't make it past April without intervention.

It's going to be a different industry for sure.
Even with interventions and bailouts - and of course expensive tickets we will pay (forget the cheap deals, it will be a few times more apparently), flying will be a luxury. I don't think the top qualified folks will get re-hired either, noobs cost less. And a friend in airport security management told me that their agencies layed off 50% already. So - a snowball effect, airport staff,
shops, clerks, management, airplane production..We as passengers will not be able to compensate, either, I don't think. Not enough and not fast enough. Loads of folks reoriented themselves already, are arranging requalification. My friend has licensed pilots and certified general interested public, too, for ages..has planes to fly people around but he terribly misses his old career. To have a giant plane, passengers and crew to transport..
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Even with interventions and bailouts - and of course expensive tickets we will pay (forget the cheap deals, it will be a few times more apparently), flying will be a luxury. I don't think the top qualified folks will get re-hired either, noobs cost less. And a friend in airport security management told me that their agencies layed off 50% already. So - a snowball effect, airport staff,
shops, clerks, management, airplane production..We as passengers will not be able to compensate, either, I don't think. Not enough and not fast enough. Loads of folks reoriented themselves already, are arranging requalification. My friend has licensed pilots and certified general interested public, too, for ages..has planes to fly people around but he terribly misses his old career. To have a giant plane, passangers and crew to transport..
that layoffs are pretty incredible. Qantas has cut 21000 jobs and Lufthansa has cut 22000! Emirates has cut 7000, while British Airways have had 12000 and Cathay Pacific has cut 8500 jobs and completely killed off its subsidiary regional airline Cathay Dragon.

As John said, airports are big losers here too. 200 airports will reportedly go bankrupt in Europe if there is no bailout before the end of the year. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-air-travel

Hard to see how anything but bailouts on an as yet unseen scale could keep the status quo afloat for more than a few months.
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Old 01.11.2020, 09:55
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Fauci's restraint appeared to have evaporated in a Washington Post interview that was published Saturday night, in which he called out the White House for allowing its strategy for fighting the virus to be shaped in part by a neuroradiologist [Dr. Scott Atlas] with no training in the field of infectious disease and said he appreciated chief of staff Mark Meadows' honesty when he admitted to CNN's Jake Tapper during a recent interview that the administration has given up controlling the spread of the virus.

"All the stars are aligned in the wrong place" as the country heads indoors in colder weather, Fauci in an interview late Friday -- a day when the US set a global record for the most daily cases and the nation surpassed 229,000 deaths. "You could not possibly be positioned more poorly."

Biden's campaign, he was quoted as saying, "is taking it seriously from a public health perspective," while the Trump campaign is viewing the virus through the lens of "the economy and reopening the country."
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that layoffs are pretty incredible. Qantas has cut 21000 jobs and Lufthansa has cut 22000! Emirates has cut 7000, while British Airways have had 12000 and Cathay Pacific has cut 8500 jobs and completely killed off its subsidiary regional airline Cathay Dragon.

As John said, airports are big losers here too. 200 airports will reportedly go bankrupt in Europe if there is no bailout before the end of the year. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-air-travel

Hard to see how anything but bailouts on an as yet unseen scale could keep the status quo afloat for more than a few months.
I see a bigger problem with deciding, who needs these bailouts more and what prioritizing will happen between all the other places that will soon be closing, with this slowdown. I cannot see how insurance companies cover all this, how the protective rules of chomage stay the same in the horizon of the next 5 years, national debts, etc. CZ gov decided to push the lockdown till the Nov 20 and they are still hoping for real Xmas. The last 3 days are finally showing a slight downward trend, I am relieved. 1st time numbers slow before the wknd and not during (fewer people come to get tested).
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and of course expensive tickets we will pay (forget the cheap deals, it will be a few times more apparently), flying will be a luxury.
We were able to postpone our six tickets to the US, will 'only' have to pay the difference in price.

Current price difference in Feb 2021?

10K. Per ticket.

Yep, flying will be a luxury indeed. Or rather, those of us for whom flying is a necessity will have to budget for paying those luxury prices.

I had to cancel my trips to the US this year, my share of eldercare responsibilities. I was lucky that the one sibling who lives local was able to step up, but that isn't sustainable, he deserves a break once it is safe to fly again. So it'll be beans on toast next year to afford the travel that I need to do.
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We were able to postpone our six tickets to the US, will 'only' have to pay the difference in price.

That price difference in Feb 2021?

10K. Per ticket.

Yep, flying will be a luxury indeed. Or rather, those of us for whom flying is a necessity will have to budget for paying those luxury prices.

I had to cancel my trips to the US this year, my share of eldercare responsibilities. I was lucky that the one sibling who lives local was able to step up, but that isn't sustainable, he deserves a break once it is safe to fly again. So it'll be beans on toast next year to afford the travel that I need to do.
If that's the sacrifice, then I think it is really rough but still doable..Swiss and residents here are no. 1 at travelling. But I think most people will just not be able to see their family for a long while . I am in touch with my people there almost every day, pretty much the same frequency and engagement as with my people next town over, in CZ or the rest of Europe, but it's so not the same. I remember walking in New York 1992 thinking how special it was, I think we are back to square one. Unless, respirators just become a part of our heads. It's so hard to breathe through Good luck to your brother.
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We were able to postpone our six tickets to the US, will 'only' have to pay the difference in price.

Current price difference in Feb 2021?

10K. Per ticket.

Yep, flying will be a luxury indeed. Or rather, those of us for whom flying is a necessity will have to budget for paying those luxury prices.

I had to cancel my trips to the US this year, my share of eldercare responsibilities. I was lucky that the one sibling who lives local was able to step up, but that isn't sustainable, he deserves a break once it is safe to fly again. So it'll be beans on toast next year to afford the travel that I need to do.
Really? Just checked on Swiss, you can fly ZRH-NYC-ZRH in Feb for 550 CHF in economy.
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Really? Just checked on Swiss, you can fly ZRH-NYC-ZRH in Feb for 550 CHF in economy.
Indeed, all the flights I have looked at have been dirt cheap too.
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Indeed, all the flights I have looked at have been dirt cheap too.
Do they even plan on these flights? Really? I mean Easter sounds doable..

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Re: Coronavirus

The first patient has had to be turned away from a hospital in Valais, due to lack of resources.

https://www.20min.ch/story/selbst-tr...r-855818950050

A spokesperson from the hospital said that they could add more ICU beds, but they do not have the personnel required.

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Is there any sort of co-ordination of medical personnel going on? Are other doctors and nurses in private practices, who might not be so busy, being asked to take shifts in the hospitals where personal are scarce?

I know last spring when the issue arose Berset said co-ordination would be too difficult. But if we are at the point where patients are being denied care, maybe it's time to tackle those difficulties. Assuming of course, that there are underutilized medical personnel somewhere at this point...

In the US, despite all the chaos, some hard-hit hospitals were able to do this in the spring. My niece, an ICU nurse who lives in a state that was then not affected, went to work at an NYC hospital when it became apparent that more help was needed. BIL, a doctor, saw his normal office patients during the day and then did night shifts at the hospital so that staff there could be reassigned to ICU. Mix of public and private efforts at co-ordination.

Thinking of one of the long running EF threads, are there any efforts being made at fast-tracking qualified foreign doctors and nurses already here who are waiting for diploma recognition?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uk-cases-study


Interesting article re a particular Spanish strain of Covid brought back by tourists on return to UK.


As for shortages of beds- as said, the big problem is staffing. Neuchâtel authorities have been advertising everywhere, on social media, the Newspapers, etc- for staff to come and help- be they part-time, retired, etc- doctors, nurses, carers and cleaners too.
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