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Superspreader event with 1000 of them? Aren't health institutions short-staffed to protest like that? Police should force them back to work or to their beds to catch up on their sleep, China style, as China apparently is the standard of how Covid should be controlled
Back home health workers had a Japanese strike a few weeks ago. I don't think they got what they wanted but they didn't march and didn't interrupt any activity.
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Old 02.11.2020, 11:59
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Which is great, but if you catch covid, aren't you likely to be even more miserable and stuck at home?
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Just for a few days, knowing him...I can see him running in his garden day 3 to sweat stuff off and flipping saults on his trampoline day 5.
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Or aren't you likely to spread it around before even knowing you caught it?
Optimistically I'd feel crappy for a few days, continue to work from home as i have since March, drink some whisky, isolate for a some time and get right back to it..
I go to the gym at 6am with around 5 other people, we keep our distance and keep clean, apart from that I don't see many people up close apart from immediate family..

So the chance of me getting and thus spreading it widely are fairly low.

Or maybe i'd die .. But thems the chances..
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:02
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Number for fri, sat & sun is 21926 cases out of 88k tests

497 hospitalisations
93 death

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Old 02.11.2020, 12:03
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Back home health workers had a Japanese strike a few weeks ago. I don't think they got what they wanted but they didn't march and didn't interrupt any activity.

Which country? Switzerland not home for you? Time to send Ausländer Greenmont back home

Got to love the Japanese though with their civic sense.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:06
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Which country? Switzerland not home for you? Time to send Ausländer Greenmont back home

Got to love the Japanese though with their civic sense.
I'll have to quarantine myself for 2 weeks...

And we rented our apartment, should live in a hotel till my mom could take us in. Otherwise, even though here is my home too, I wouldn't mind.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:12
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I may be wrong, but I think they were implying something along the lines of "pot calling the kettle black" rather than saying that VD was worse than GE.
That's always been the case, since the beginning of all times. We usually had no shame going for a good resto or a chic haircut there as oppose to them the other way

People don't do it anymore, VD business owners will probably like that.

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Got to love the Japanese though with their civic sense.
I think according to the link posted here a few days back, it was the hygiene, distancing and Sars experience (masks) that helped them keep it low. CZ had it low for ever, though, and then it spread. So even in countries with almost zero 1st wave, it can still happen. And unnoticed, for a long time. I think Belgium went through what seems the same sudden flip. It wasn't sudden, just crept up unnoticed. Japan scans all, civic sense was boosted by Sars 1.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:36
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I visited Japan well before Covid, even back then the taxi driver was wearing impecable white gloves & a face mask.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:42
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What do you mean? Since when are the VD stats worse than GE?
VD is pretty much at the top of the pile in the new cases per day stats so I wouldn’t be getting too complacent if I were you.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:54
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VD is pretty much at the top of the pile in the new cases per day stats so I wouldn’t be getting too complacent if I were you.
According to the RTS news, the cantonal council of Vaud is in an extra meeting.
Results are expected sometime today.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:56
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Optimistically I'd feel crappy for a few days, continue to work from home as i have since March, drink some whisky, isolate for a some time and get right back to it..
I go to the gym at 6am with around 5 other people, we keep our distance and keep clean, apart from that I don't see many people up close apart from immediate family..

So the chance of me getting and thus spreading it widely are fairly low.

Or maybe i'd die .. But thems the chances..
Keeping distance isn't that much help in an enclosed space if you are there for extended periods. Masks buy you time but only so much. Reality is if one you are infected most of you probably will be in a single visit. Unless the gym is massive.

Below link has some really informative simple diagrams.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2...h-the-air.html
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Old 02.11.2020, 13:03
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Keeping distance isn't that much help in an enclosed space if you are there for extended periods. Masks buy you time but only so much.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2...h-the-air.html
In my kids class they open the window every 15 or 20 minutes, don't know how efficient it is though. Better than nothing. Wonder how ventilation systems will develop from now on, a lot of buildings lack proper ventilation. Not only the older ones, at least some of them have high ceilings.

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Old 02.11.2020, 13:28
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If so, why all the fearmongering about an economic slowdown or job loses? Symptom #1 of being fine is not worrying. If other people have problems, let the people speak for themselves. Maybe other people is just fine and it's paternalist to assume they're not fine because I know better.
I am fearful for what the future brings, but I would reject the accusation of fearmonger. We are fortunate in Switzerland in that politically there is at least a voice for those who oppose lockdowns, in many places there simply isn't. This is why it is important to speak up.

Across Europe the debate at top level has rarely been whether to lockdown or not, but rather when and why it's too late. Great utilitarian leaders in times of crisis like Winston Churchill were able to take the tough decisions under pressure knowing it meant making painful sacrifices for the benefit of the majority. This trait seems to have been long forgotten.

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Old 02.11.2020, 13:47
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I am fearful for what the future brings, but I would reject the accusation of fearmonger. We are fortunate in Switzerland in that politically there is at least a voice for those who oppose lockdowns, in many places there simply isn't. This is why it is important to speak up.

Across Europe the debate at top level has rarely been whether to lockdown or not, but rather when and why it's too late. Great utilitarian leaders in times of crisis like Winston Churchill were able to take the tough decisions under pressure knowing it meant making painful sacrifices for the benefit of the majority. This trait seems to have been long forgotten.


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Important to speak in the name of who and speak to whom? Who are the oppressed that need a voice? Know one of them or into a parasocial relationship with strangers hundreds or thousands of km away?
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Old 02.11.2020, 13:49
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My son (9 yrs old) came home from school for lunch earlier today, and I guess his teacher had told the class today that one of their classmates is now staying home, on quarantine, because one of his parents is sick and has tested positive for the virus.

Mmmmph.
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Looks like only goat shed for me then
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Selfishly I just want me gym to stay open .. Knocking myself senseless for an hour each day works wonders for the sanity..
I might be stating the obvious, but don't you have a tiny area in your apartment for a treadmill? We've got one and a crosstrainer in the keller. The treadmill is used daily by us both, but I keep falling off the crosstrainer so I avoid it

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Which Lord? Adonis? Sugar?
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When all's said and done contolling the virus so it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals & health service,
destroy peoples jobs & business's that could trash the economy for ever, is all a balancing act
between protecting people's Lives, Livelihood and Liberty.

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I am fearful for what the future brings, but I would reject the accusation of fearmonger. We are fortunate in Switzerland in that politically there is at least a voice for those who oppose lockdowns, in many places there simply isn't. This is why it is important to speak up.

Across Europe the debate at top level has rarely been whether to lockdown or not, but rather when and why it's too late.

Definitely I agree that CH is a place where those opposed to lockdowns have had a voice -- and the different levels of government have seemed to pay attention.
That said, the public health debate has been far more diverse and credible in France and in Germany. It's just that the French and German governments completely ignored that.
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Il faut agir aussi vite que possible, mais aussi lentement que nécessaire.

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We are fortunate in Switzerland in that politically there is at least a voice for those who oppose lockdowns, in many places there simply isn't. This is why it is important to speak up.
This is exactly where you have gone wrong.

The question of whether to lock down is NOT a political issue. It's a question of health outcomes and it should be dictated by science. Winston Churchill was no scientist, nor is Johnson, and certainly not Trump. None of these can provide anywhere near as good advice as qualified physicians and scientists.

So you can have your unsupported opinion, but you need to take a back seat to the experts in this situation.
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