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Falling growth rate means falling R. Good news. But for some reason not everybody is happy about it. They just want the lockdowns to come and period.
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Old 03.11.2020, 21:30
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falling growth rate means falling r. Good news. But for some reason not everybody is happy about it. They just want the lockdowns to come and period.
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I dont believe its so simple. There could be other reason for less testing. Like less people with symptoms. However, even on the record day, the growth was lower compared to the last week. So R is coming down. Someone in this thread wrote on Friday, that the R is at 1,1. Even in spring, the R came down to 1 before the lockdown.
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Well, Ok, it was coming down but it hadn't, as falsely claimed on here numerous times, fallen below 1 before the lockdown, which I take you to mean.

R in CH had come down, but not gone below 1, until after the lockdown. Yes it had been falling for some time (though the first weeks may be unreliable due to sparsely available data) but the daily positives kept increasing for a few days after the lockdown. TC appears unable to grasp that concept so he keeps repeating nonsense - unless he's lying, which I doubt at least in this case.

And, of course, at least one hospital had had to stop testing altogether due to lack of materials. HUG for instance, university hospital Geneva, which is also the home of the (at that time the only one) reference laboratory, had to stop testing from, like, March 15-20.

It's the same this time around: R has been falling since late September, but is still solid above 1 because the daily positives keep increasing. And given the high test-positive rate we're probably back to five unknown positives or even more for each known positive, just like we had in spring.

Here's the current chart, based on the ETH model as presented by professor Stadler:
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Old 03.11.2020, 21:55
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm not saying that we are below 1. Just that the growth is dropping for days. Not sure what to say about the % of possitives, since "back home" we have a hardcore lockdown for weeks now and the % of possitives persists (25%). The numbers are almost identical to CH but the messures are totaly different.
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Are the Covid prevention rules the same in every canton? I am more curious about the rules for kids in grades 7 to 9th (BEZ/SEK/...).

Must students wear masks 100% of the time? Do kids have sports class indoors? If so, do they wear masks or not? What about the teachers? Do they wear masks non-stop while in school and classrooms or are they allowed to remove them if they are "sufficiently far".
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Nope. The rules by the "Bundesrat" are binding. Cantons can make them tougher. So you need to regularly check the rules of your canton yet know the minimum.

PS where can I actually see what canton Zurich doesn't want me to do? Is there a straight daily way or do I need to google every time?
As you rightly say, Curley, the Federal rules come first.
Then, any Canton may (but is not legally obliged to) add its own, additional rules.
You can see some of them here:


Canton of Zürich

https://www.zh.ch/de/gesundheit/coronavirus.html

Canton of Aargau
https://www.ag.ch/de/aktuelles/medie...ils_152966.jsp

Canton of St Gallen
https://www.sg.ch/tools/informationen-coronavirus.html

I found these by searching "CANTONNAME Regeln" and in all cases the first search result was the Corona/Covid rules.
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Falling growth rate means falling R. Good news. But for some reason not everybody is happy about it. They just want the lockdowns to come and period.
If the numbers start going decently down I'll be delighted, But I'm not going to celebrate numbers that are still increasing.
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Old 03.11.2020, 22:08
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And as your doctors, nurses, beds are finite - it makes quite a difference whether R0 is 1.3 at 500 or 5000 cases a day.
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Old 03.11.2020, 22:14
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... the growth is dropping for days.
Have you looked at https://www.corona-data.ch/en, particularly at the "total number of cases during a week to each day" in the graph: "Newly Reported Cases"?
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If the numbers start going decently down I'll be delighted, But I'm not going to celebrate numbers that are still increasing.
Indeed. Even a steady amount of positive tests (based on a single-digit rate of positives) means still-increasing hospital occupancy as the patients arrive there 1-2 weeks after the test and stay for a couple weeks (at least they did in spring, may differ now with a younger average age among the positives). ICU admissions are delayed by even more.

If spring is anything to go by, the number of test positives will plateau for 3-4 weeks before it starts to fall.
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Old 03.11.2020, 22:35
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Keeping distance isn't that much help in an enclosed space if you are there for extended periods. Masks buy you time but only so much. Reality is if one you are infected most of you probably will be in a single visit. Unless the gym is massive.

Below link has some really informative simple diagrams.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2...h-the-air.html
Thank you for posting this. It seems to me that ventilation EDIT: (by which I mean: create a clear stream of air from outside, and NOT: drive the old air through a machine and back into the room) is all too often overlooked, as one of the basic preventative measures. None of the measures, alone, is the solution. Even all of the measures together seem not to be. Their effect is, however, cumulative, not only in an individual situation, but across people through any geographical area, such as a suburb or city.

It takes enough of the people actually being responsible and considerate, enough of the time, to make enough of a difference.

In addition to keeping at least 1,5 and preferably 2m distance, (especially indoors, even with family) and wearing masks when this distance cannot be maintained, it seems to me that ventilation is one of the central factors that is under-utilised yet easy to do.
  • Carry as few items as possible with you.
  • When arriving at a new place (especially when arriving home), as far as possible, deposit the things you brought with you, at the door.
  • At home, leave at the door (and similarly, make each family member and all visitors leave at the door): bag, coat, hat, shoes.
  • Do not walk anywhere else except directly to the basin to wash your hands.
  • For a better clean than a disinfectant could provide, wash hands thoroughly with good old soap and warm running water and dry hands thoroughly on a fresh, clean cloth which goes into the laundry bin immediately.
  • Then fling open the windows for long enough to exchange the inside air throughout your home for air from outside. Then close the windows properly so that the home gets warm again.
  • Do not sing unless alone. Do not shout, ditto, as both of these spread particles much more rapidly than speaking.
  • If you need to pass an item to another person, physically, hold your breath for the moment it takes to be near them.
  • Every 20 or 30 minutes, as well as every time a new person enters and leaves the premises, repeat full ventilation, to exchange the air. More frequently if anyone is sneezing or coughing.

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Have you looked at https://www.corona-data.ch/en, particularly at the "total number of cases during a week to each day" in the graph: "Newly Reported Cases"?
I don't know this site but the graphs look like they are topping. I also don't believe that we will see those low summer numbers before may/june. But then again, i never believed that we will exterminate this virus.
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Old 03.11.2020, 22:45
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Have you looked at https://www.corona-data.ch/en, particularly at the "total number of cases during a week to each day" in the graph: "Newly Reported Cases"?
A log graph would suggest R is dropping atm.

The worries are:

a) will it continue to drop to below 1; and

b) is this a data artefact resulting from (increasingly) insufficient testing and/or testing backlogs
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The privileges or being under 16 YO
My kids' school closed all the free time sport activities for kids (unihockey etc). I wonder if it' s a decision of our local authorities or is it the same in the whole canton ZH.
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Old 03.11.2020, 22:58
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I agree ventilation is important but it must be the correct ventilation.

The Swiss TV program Kassensturz did a piece some weeks ago on ventilation in restaurants and large shops. Extremely few had ventilators that cleaned the air of viruses before redistributing it, usually, Ultra-violet light based purifiers are used for this.
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Lots of rumours about ongoing high infection rates and full hospital beds in Schwyz. People are wearing masks everywhere and are being careful but it may take longer to decrease the infection rate than I had anticipated.
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I agree ventilation is important but it must be the correct ventilation.

The Swiss TV program Kassensturz did a piece some weeks ago on ventilation in restaurants and large shops. Extremely few had ventilators that cleaned the air of viruses before redistributing it, usually, Ultra-violet light based purifiers are used for this.
Oh, yes, you're right! Thank you.

Good old fashioned "briefly fling all the windows wide open and get a good air current right through the room(s), just long enough to exchange the air" (in other words, when you can stand at a point in the room furtherst away from the window, and feel cool outside air on your forehead) is was what I meant. Then close up again, to get warm.

Not "drive the old air through a machine and back into the room".

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Nyon is at capacity and understaffed, triaging of incoming cases is occurring - easier said than done but not the time to become ill. 4 week delay in scheduling PCR testing, no walk ins allowed - rapid tests apparently going to be available in coming weeks

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Nyon is at capacity and understaffed, triaging of incoming cases is occurring - easier said than done but not the time to become ill. 4 week delay in scheduling PCR testing, no walk ins allowed - rapid tests apparently going to be available in coming weeks

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4 weeks ????
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4 weeks ????
If you go through the screening portal via the hospital website, first appt won't be until December
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If you go through the screening portal via the hospital website, first appt won't be until December
LOL what to say .......
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