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Wow! What's next? Bodies must wear masks??
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Old 06.11.2020, 21:48
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Wow! What's next? Bodies must wear masks??
We are supposed to outside when nobody is around, that nonsense was confirmed yesterday. Fines given out to people coming out of the sea on Wednesday late at night!
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Old 06.11.2020, 21:54
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Re: Coronavirus

It actually does take a while for the virus to completely decay in a dead body. It will even continue to multiply for a while until autolysis (the final state of decomposition).

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"In addition to donning personal protective equipment, morticians keep corpses in plastic body bags between preparation and burial or cremation, and regularly sanitize the exterior. Sometimes, the dead are masked, too: when corpses are moved, the lungs can exhale, potentially spreading the virus in the process."

Infection Risk From Dead Bodies With COVID-19
https://www.medicinenet.com/infectio...id-19-news.htm
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It actually does take a while for the virus to completely decay in a dead body. It will even continue to multiply for a while until autolysis (the final state of decomposition).

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"In addition to donning personal protective equipment, morticians keep corpses in plastic body bags between preparation and burial or cremation, and regularly sanitize the exterior. Sometimes, the dead are masked, too: when corpses are moved, the lungs can exhale, potentially spreading the virus in the process."

Infection Risk From Dead Bodies With COVID-19
https://www.medicinenet.com/infectio...id-19-news.htm
They are insisting on burial within 24 hours.
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Old 06.11.2020, 22:04
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Wow! What's next? Bodies must wear masks??
Panic is disappearing..

Authorities in CZ have imposed curfew and limits, but people can take a breather during the day, solitary walks are encouraged, incl. visits to cemeteries...they are large and green, esp. in cities it is sought after. Media write of calming, apeasing effect. Pubs are closed, imagine the horros there for Czechs. I think we start to look inward..Getting used to the new life. Getting less anxious.

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Re: Coronavirus

According to the news tonight (RTS), hairdressers in Vaud are busy as as ever due to the influx from Geneva.....:rolleyes (Nyon was taken as example).

https://www.rts.ch/info/11730532-le-...des-lundi.html

I guess that other shopping will be done at the same time considering Christmas is coming up.

Just heard another helicopter fly by.....

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Old 06.11.2020, 23:51
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I guess that other shopping will be done at the same time considering Christmas is coming up.

Just heard another helicopter fly by.....
What does that mean? Santa taking helicopter?
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What does that mean? Santa taking helicopter?
LOL rereading my post the last line does indeed make little sense

Ment to say that another helicopter went to the hospital - then again REGA helis are red, so maybe it was Santa
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Old 07.11.2020, 09:26
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They are insisting on burial within 24 hours.
Czech paliative medicine is fighting hard to change the way the bodies are handled. New findings talk of lesser risk when manipulating, washing and dressing the bodies, offer the grieving partner and family much better piety and closure. So - puting the body quickly in a bag and coffin (cremation) is going to change. 4200 deaths to date, after the 1st few months having hardly any deaths. I cross fingers big time, 24/7.
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Old 07.11.2020, 10:26
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Re: Coronavirus

Over 125,000 new cases in the US and approaching 1200 deaths yesterday, forecasts are of much higher numbers. Kudos to Trump that he has evaded blame for this disaster.
Trump's own chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested positive as (it is rumoured) have a number of other White House characters.
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Re: Coronavirus

More personal accounts of the effects of Long Covid from contracting Covid-19 but never
recovering from it, this one where the mother and her 8 year old daughter both contracted
Covid-19 and are still suffering from it in the form of Long Covid with no end in sight.

BBC News - Long Covid has left me exhausted for 7 months
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Czech paliative medicine is fighting hard to change the way the bodies are handled. New findings talk of lesser risk when manipulating, washing and dressing the bodies, offer the grieving partner and family much better piety and closure. So - puting the body quickly in a bag and coffin (cremation) is going to change.
I should jolly well hope so since palliative care involves looking after people who are still living.
Shoving them in a body bag would be a horribly barbaric thing to do.

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Re: Coronavirus

An Associated Press analysis reveals that in 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, the overwhelming majority — 93% of those counties — went for Trump, a rate above other less severely hit areas.

https://apnews.com/article/counties-...6715da6edb6ebf


This is why many Democrats vote by mail.
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Old 07.11.2020, 10:53
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I should jolly well hope so since palliative care involves looking after people who are still living.
Shoving them in a body bag would be a horribly barbaric thing to do.
Hence palliative. The grieving partner often the same risk, age and CV diagnosis. Plus patients in the ICUs know when the end is near.

The bag was a rule imposed by infectologists to avoid further spread, it is the same everywhere. I think it is loosening up in order to offer the deceased the last rituals and dignity and the grieving the piety and proper parting.

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Hence palliative. The grieving partner often the same risk, age and CV diagnosis. Plus patients in the ICUs know when the end is near.

The bag was a rule imposed by infectologists to avoid further spread. I think it is loosening up in order to offer the deceased the last rituals and dignity and the grieving the piety and proper parting.
So you’re referring to palliative care for the partner? Perhaps in CZ, the definition is different - it does not normally apply to the deceased in most English speaking countries, iirc.
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So you’re referring to palliative care for the partner? Perhaps in CZ, the definition is different - it would not normally apply to the deceased.
You know that there is often a difference of a few days between both passing, right? Seeing the bodies in bags in media since the infection spread in China started - isn't a way to go in peace, for the patient, for their partner, for their sick partner nor for their family (who can happen and often are also sick - stats show spread in families more rampant than through work). Plus the spiritual traditions of religious people that they need.

The infection risk has been reevaluated, thankfully. I read an interview with the Chief MD of Autopsy Dept, she made a lot of sense..
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Hence palliative. The grieving partner often the same risk, age and CV diagnosis. Plus patients in the ICUs know when the end is near.

The bag was a rule imposed by infectologists to avoid further spread, it is the same everywhere. I think it is loosening up in order to offer the deceased the last rituals and dignity and the grieving the piety and proper parting.
What do you mean by palliative care?
Your definition is clearly very different from mine.

Care for the family would be classed as pastoral care. Palliative care for the patient would cease once the patient was deceased.
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What do you mean by palliative care?
Your definition is clearly very different from mine.

Care for the family would be classed as pastoral care. Palliative care for the patient would cease once the patient was deceased.
LOL!

Rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying "deeper the hole digging"
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You know that there is often a difference of a few days between both passing, right? Seeing the bodies in bags in media since the infection spread in China started - isn't a way to go in peace, for the patient, for their partner, for their sick partner nor for their family (who can happen and often are also sick - stats show spread in families more rampant than through work). Plus the spiritual traditions of religious people that they need.

The infection risk has been reevaluated, thankfully. I read an interview with the Chief MD of Autopsy Dept, she made a lot of sense..
So you’re talking about care for the living partner/family when both are infected and one dies? Ok then.

And yes, spread within families appears to be a much more significant source of infection than within work environments.
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LOL!

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No. The usuals are trying to tell me I did not understand my own message. Which referred to old people dying in hundreds every day. CV palliative is that - caring for the dying ones and their very possibly infected close people by caring for the deceased. At one go.

Whatever "would normally happen" is irrelevant. I am refering to adjustments that needs to happen now and are being in the makings now in CZ. Pastoral has no space now in a complete lockdown there.
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