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So you’re talking about care for the living partner/family when both are infected and one dies? Ok then.

And yes, spread within families appears to be a much more significant source of infection than within work environments.
That must account for a very small percentage of people I imagine.
Even with rapid infection spread amongst families I doubt that both spouses succumb to the infection within a couple of days of each other very often.
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Finally Sweden sees the reality of the situation :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54797112
so now they has to invite some people to fulfill the requirement

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Just to put things into perspective: Swiss numbers adjusted to the US population would be 350.000 cases and 2660 deaths. Pretty solid.
so just "ignoring virus" they doing 3 time better

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No. The usuals are trying to tell me I did not understand my own message. Which referred to old people dying in hundreds every day. CV palliative is that - caring for the dying ones and their very possibly infected close people by caring for the deceased. At one go.

Whatever "would normally happen" is irrelevant. I am refering to adjustments that needs to happen now and are being in the makings now in CZ. Pastoral has no space now in a complete lockdown there.
No, I just wanted clarification. I have a fair amount of experience with palliation, but not with respect to COVID. It is possible that there are different implementations. Because indeed, palliative care is not always limited “to old people dying in hundreds“. I know lots of people treated for cancer and other chronic diseases who receive palliation - comfort care, symptom and pain control. And in these cases palliation is suggested early on, but, I realize the time horizon with COVID is short and intense. Going forward, I fully expect that people with long covid will need palliation.

But you raise an interesting point ..... is it only old people?
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Old 07.11.2020, 12:15
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No. The usuals are trying to tell me I did not understand my own message. .
Well, a taste of your own medicine and all that.
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Old 07.11.2020, 12:40
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No. The usuals are trying to tell me I did not understand my own message. Which referred to old people dying in hundreds every day. CV palliative is that - caring for the dying ones and their very possibly infected close people by caring for the deceased. At one go.

Whatever "would normally happen" is irrelevant. I am refering to adjustments that needs to happen now and are being in the makings now in CZ. Pastoral has no space now in a complete lockdown there.
You really need to stop with this victim mentality.

All we did was ask for clarification because you used a term which is not used in that way for most people.
You clearly understood what you meant but other people didn’t. That’s why clarification was sought.

Obviously CZ uses the term palliative care in a different way from other places (particularly in relation to Covid) and since the majority of us are not Czech we didn’t get that. You didn’t even specify CV in your original comment although I don’t think that should really make a difference to what the term palliative means.
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Reporting live from gym- 50% full I would say compared to non-Corona times. Mainly 25 to 50 year olds.
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Old 07.11.2020, 12:47
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Reporting live from gym- 50% full I would say compared to non-Corona times. Mainly 25 to 50 year olds.
Gyms closed here. But we got a link to web training, will do it I do miss my sweat machines.
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Panic is disappearing..

Authorities in CZ have imposed curfew and limits, but people can take a breather during the day, solitary walks are encouraged, incl. visits to cemeteries...they are large and green, esp. in cities it is sought after. Media write of calming, apeasing effect. Pubs are closed, imagine the horros there for Czechs. I think we start to look inward..Getting used to the new life. Getting less anxious.
My Czech friends who spend there most of their summer holiday each year, have said that people there were depressed, there was a certain apathy, like waiting for someone to tell them what's next. They said people seemed to have lost joy in whatever they do and they're happy to be here, in CH. I think people got tired of everything, the so-called "corona fatigue" hit big time there like in other places too. Friends are among the least panicky people I know.

I do hope everything we'll go back to "relatively normal" soon, but that's a hope I have for every other place.
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My Czech friends who spend there most of their summer holiday each year, have said that people there were depressed, there was a certain apathy, like waiting for someone to tell them what's next. They said people seemed to have lost joy in whatever they do and they're happy to be here, in CH. I think people got tired of everything, the so-called "corona fatigue" hit big time there like in other places too. Friends are among the least panicky people I know.

I do hope everything we'll go back to "relatively normal" soon, but that's a hope I have for every other place.
I think we are heading the same way

Tribune de Geneve is leading with "Only 4 ICU beds left at HUG", while BAG is saying all ok.
Cantons point fingers at each other, conflicts between hospital over taking patients...etc

I am getting slightly confused and worried over how things are managed or rather not managed.

So yeah..whats next?
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Gyms closed here. But we got a link to web training, will do it I do miss my sweat machines.
Our gym has moved outside.. Yaa!

At least yaay! this week when it's dry..
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Our gym has moved outside.. Yaa!

At least yaay! this week when it's dry..
Thats a great initative!!
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Our gym has moved outside.. Yaa!

At least yaay! this week when it's dry..
Not fair. Even the outside yoga where I'd go moved online.

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I think we are heading the same way

Tribune de Geneve is leading with "Only 4 ICU beds left at HUG", while BAG is saying all ok.
Cantons point fingers at each other, conflicts between hospital over taking patients...etc

I am getting slightly confused and worried over how things are managed or rather not managed.

So yeah..whats next?
Patient transfers. M. Berset urged the Swiss German parts with available beds to federally share.

Czech transfers yesterday (within CZ) https://www.idnes.cz/zlin/zpravy/kor...pravy_ras/foto Nov 6, 2020

Belgium has created an air bridge between Belgium and Germany, patients fully ventilated https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/zahranic...d4bb26d1_0.jpg. Nov 3, 2020

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Tribune de Geneve is leading with "Only 4 ICU beds left at HUG", while BAG is saying all ok.
Cantons point fingers at each other, conflicts between hospital over taking patients...etc

I am getting slightly confused and worried over how things are managed or rather not managed.

So yeah..whats next?
Don't know. My canton (ZH) doesn't seem to be willing to adopt more drastic measures. Curfew is rather useless imo, it's more cosmetics than efficiency. In the rare occasions I used public transportation later in the evening, there was hardly anyone in the train to begin with.
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Not fair. Even the outside yoga where I'd go moved online.



Patient transfers. M. Berset urged the Swiss German parts with available beds to federally share.
I know, but that should have been self evident from the get go. After all its still one country, even if one wonders sometimes...
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I know, but that should have been self evident from the get go. After all its still one country, even if one wonders sometimes...
It was obvious from the get go. I think.
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It was obvious from the get go.
Then why did Berset have to intervene?
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Then why did Berset have to intervene?
Exactly. He only had to intervene because some of the German speaking cantons were being ‘difficult’ regarding patient transfers.
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Then why did Berset have to intervene?
Why does government have to state what is obvious, sometimes? I think it needed to be done, also before higher numbers come.
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Why does government have to state what is obvious, sometimes? I think it needed to be done, also before higher numbers come.
Yes, but that was not the question.
I was asking due to your statement that moving patients to other cantons was obvious from the get go.
Which I think it wasnt from looking back at the rethoric over the last couple of weeks.
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Yes, but that was not the question.
I was asking due to your statement that moving patients to other cantons was obvious from the get go.
Which I think it wasnt from looking back at the rethoric over the last couple of weeks.
It was obvious no matter of the rhetoric. Why do you think I post CZ updates here. It is easy to look at any other country with similar development..But I think it is a super hard job to balance the interest to inform with the interest to not panic. Say it too early and local hospitals reserve places firmly for their own. Say it too late and the community will not be ready for transfers. I think a lot is being done behind the scene but local news really inform of all, over 2000 soldiers called to health sector, transfers being announced, etc. While gov put out the same important rhetoric- do not mingle, keep social distances, especially those who risk hospitalisation. That's pretty consistent. CZ ran out of beds (well, staff) and we pay docs and nurses peanuts, have an army of them, it is considered unethical to make money on human health (and edu). M. Berset's FB was mentioned last night on the local news, so he's putting warnings out there left and right. I think now the info is accepted and not seen as allarmist.
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