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Honestly, no. And I have always been pro vax. I do not trust them currently.
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Old 09.11.2020, 19:52
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I will first get a test to see if I have any antibodies against Corona. If no, then I will wait for you guys to take the vaccine and report back
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Old 09.11.2020, 21:11
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If you are offered the / a vaccine before Christmas, would you take it?
No. I am pro vaccine and worked in vaccine research for quite a while but there is no way on earth I would take the vaccine then.
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Old 09.11.2020, 21:13
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No. I am pro vaccine and worked in vaccine research for quite a while but there is no way on earth I would take the vaccine then.
And why is that? Serious question.
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Old 09.11.2020, 22:11
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And why is that? Serious question.
The time scale is just too short in my opinion.
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Old 09.11.2020, 22:26
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If you are offered the / a vaccine before Christmas, would you take it?
Assuming risk groups already got theirs and it helps to bring an end to this pandemic, my answer is naturally yes.

Anti-vaxxers are same group with climate change skeptics and happy to ridicule each and every one of them.

Edit; What I think many forget is that unless you are in risk group, you dont take vaccine for yourself but for all of us. I dont personally need it, I would not personally even need to wear a mask or follow social distancing, however this pandemic is not about me.
46k people took it already on behalf of us to test whether its safe and efficient.

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Old 09.11.2020, 22:30
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The time scale is just too short in my opinion.
100% with you on this.

There are three vaccines that are on final stages of testing (Russian, Oxford and Pfizer + BioNTech). Once released to public, I'll give it some time see how how it behaves and the possible side effects.

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Old 09.11.2020, 23:08
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Re: Coronavirus

My thoughts: if you are fit, under the age of 70 with no co-morbidities, then why try a vaccine? Wait until it has been tested and proven. In other words, if healthy, let others be the guinea pigs. That said, I do feel that those most in need, should be put at the front of the line - if they choose to.

Personally, if I had a co-morbidity, I would hope to be one at the front of the line. I have a sister-in-law with Cystic Fibrosis (CF) and she has been in "quarantine"/hibernation since last March.

Both she and my brother are/were EXTREMELY social and this lockdown has affected her a lot. Note that she, at 68 years of age, is an anomaly in the CF world as she is lucky to be alive.

Anyway, she told me that on her recent visit to her CF specialist in NYC, her doctor noted elevated blood pressure (atypical for her). Her response was, "Of course my blood pressure is elevated. I am not living a normal life and am extremely anxious about the future!"

She told me, that as soon as a vaccine is approved, she hopes to be the first in line. Frankly, I don't blame her!
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Old 09.11.2020, 23:38
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100% with you on this.

There are three vaccines that are on final stages of testing (Russian, Oxford and Pfizer + BioNTech). Once released to public, I'll give it some time see how how it behaves and the possible side effects.
There's actually 11 in stage 3 trails including the Moderna one the Swiss government have bet on (they have fallen back recently) and several Chinese. But the 3 you mention are ahead of the rest.
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Old 09.11.2020, 23:40
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My thoughts: if you are fit, under the age of 70 with no co-morbidities, then why try a vaccine?
Because it's not only about life-or-death. Having your own immune system damage organs permanently isn't among the outcomes I'm looking forward to. The likelihood of that occurring will play a significant role in my decision-making.
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There's actually 11 in stage 3 trails including the Moderna one the Swiss government have bet on (they have fallen back recently) and several Chinese. But the 3 you mention are ahead of the rest.
Two, AstraZeneca being the other one.
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Because it's not only about life-or-death. Having your own immune system damage organs permanently isn't among the outcomes I'm looking forward to. The likelihood of that occurring will play a significant role in my decision-making.
I would be interested in seeing stats on those with no comorbidities, under the age of 70, who did not go into ICU or hospital, with long terms effects. My guess, is that those who do struggle with long term effects and do not fit into those categories, are outliers. Again, that is my hunch but hey I could be wrong.

It would be interesting to see those stats though. Perhaps too soon to tell!
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Old 10.11.2020, 09:27
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No. I am pro vaccine and worked in vaccine research for quite a while but there is no way on earth I would take the vaccine then.
This is going to be a significant problem for vaccine rollout I think, a lack of confidence. As has been said, you are in fact not taking it for yourself if your under 60 and healthy, you are taking it so others don't die, if we were to be honest.

What is needed is headline people to take it. Leaders, Prime Ministers, heads of medicine at huge pharma's. If we have a set of people who would stand to lose massively if it didnt work actually take it, then the population should follow.
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Old 10.11.2020, 09:28
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Re: Coronavirus

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- LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

- Relax, there's a vaccine coming

- NO, I DON'T WANT VACCINE! ITS DANGEROUS! LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN!
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This is going to be a significant problem for vaccine rollout I think, a lack of confidence. As has been said, you are in fact not taking it for yourself if your under 60 and healthy, you are taking it so others don't die, if we were to be honest.

What is needed is headline people to take it. Leaders, Prime Ministers, heads of medicine at huge pharma's. If we have a set of people who would stand to lose massively if it didnt work actually take it, then the population should follow.
Most do fall into the high-risk category, after all!
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Old 10.11.2020, 09:35
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This is going to be a significant problem for vaccine rollout I think, a lack of confidence. As has been said, you are in fact not taking it for yourself if your under 60 and healthy, you are taking it so others don't die, if we were to be honest.

What is needed is headline people to take it. Leaders, Prime Ministers, heads of medicine at huge pharma's. If we have a set of people who would stand to lose massively if it didnt work actually take it, then the population should follow.
I don't believe there will be a shortage of frightened people who will take the vaccine at the first opportunity.
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Old 10.11.2020, 09:54
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- LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

- Relax, there's a vaccine coming

- NO, I DON'T WANT VACCINE! ITS DANGEROUS! LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN!
Let me guess, you did not even have to read the last 5 pages for writing this useful post?
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Old 10.11.2020, 10:07
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Let me guess, you did not even have to read the last 5 pages for writing this useful post?
Useful post? I think you're in the wrong thread!
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Old 10.11.2020, 10:30
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- LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

- Relax, there's a vaccine coming

- NO, I DON'T WANT VACCINE! ITS DANGEROUS! LOCKDOWN! LOCKDOWN!
It takes a long time to ensure a vaccine is safe.
Is taking a vaccine too soon before it is well tested better or worse than no vaccine?
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Re: Coronavirus

I think they've given about 1000 people the jab, and one of those has an adverse reaction (possibly not related to the vaccine), when does the number of potential adverse reactions outweigh the Covid risks?
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Old 10.11.2020, 11:05
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I think they've given about 1000 people the jab, and one of those has an adverse reaction (possibly not related to the vaccine), when does the number of potential adverse reactions outweigh the Covid risks?
Chance of dyeing from covid to the general population under 65 is slim, 3 in 1000 deaths from from a vaccine is worse than the risk from COVID.

If you are 90 & likely to be dead in 18 months, not sure it's worth taking the risk either.
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