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It's also betraying our parents and grandparents.
In the real world if you are very elderly and unwell it's not a good idea to do any social activities whilst there is a pandemic that almost exclusively kills elderly and unwell people freely circulating.

Normally you are very sensible - the word "betrayal" is an overly emotive one. How does it make any sense that people with risk factors 1000x different have the same rules applied to them?

Incidentally, my 85 year old grandmother was still going to the pub until the lockdown on the grounds "I'll die soon anyway". The rest of her family don't think like that. It's not fair on the health service. It's not fair on us. We don't want to worry about her or for her to die alone if an unnecessary infection. We are staying safe for other old people whilst slowly going mad with boredom. Honestly I think it's a betrayal of government to not lock her up at her age.

At the end of the day - I'm asking for no more restrictions on old people than I'm observing. Only indoor space is food shopping. But even that seems too much. It's cowardice, plain and simple. There is no justification whatsoever in failing to adopt a different policy for those at the greatest risk.

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Old 13.11.2020, 00:34
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In the real world if you are very elderly and unwell it's not a good idea to do any social activities whilst there is a pandemic that almost exclusively kills elderly and unwell people freely circulating.

Normally you are very sensible - the word "betrayal" is an overly emotive one. How does it make any sense that people with risk factors 1000x different have the same rules applied to them?

Incidentally, my 85 year old grandmother was still going to the pub until the lockdown on the grounds "I'll die soon anyway". The rest of her family don't think like that. It's not fair on the health service. It's not fair on us. We don't want to worry about her or for her to die alone if an unnecessary infection. We are staying safe for other old people whilst slowly going mad with boredom. Honestly I think it's a betrayal of government to not lock her up at her age.

At the end of the day - I'm asking for no more restrictions on old people than I'm observing. Only indoor space is food shopping. But even that seems too much. It's cowardice, plain and simple. There is no justification whatsoever in failing to adopt a different policy for those at the greatest risk.
I simply resent the notion that this is a problem of the elderly and so they should accept "tough luck" and go self-isolate while the rest of us go on to pretend there is nothing happening. And it pisses me off that this logic is often pushed by the same people who otherwise argue conservative "family" values.

Edit: This is not about rules, it is about how we as a society treat the elder generation.

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Old 13.11.2020, 01:19
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In the real world if you are very elderly and unwell it's not a good idea to do any social activities whilst there is a pandemic that almost exclusively kills elderly and unwell people freely circulating.
For the umpteenth time, the 3 people I know who've died from covid were 53, 60 and 61. Only the 61yr old, a type 1 diabetic, had a pre-existing condition.

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Incidentally, my 85 year old grandmother was still going to the pub until the lockdown on the grounds "I'll die soon anyway". The rest of her family don't think like that. It's not fair on the health service. It's not fair on us.
My best mate's mum has behaved the same way. She insisted on continuing to work in the charity shop she manages, despite being 84. Her 4 kids got so aggravated by her disregard that when the 'bubble' concept was introduced in the UK, all of her kids refused to have her in their bubble.

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And it pisses me off that this logic is often pushed by the same people who otherwise argue conservative "family" values.

Edit: This is not about rules, it is about how we as a society treat the elder generation.
Exactly.
The attitude has been totally different in countries like Italy and Greece where old people are more integral to family life and more valued by society.
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Old 13.11.2020, 01:39
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Not sure if serious. You draw distinction between Swedes and Brits along the lines of being obedient big government people? Laws and social conventions are less observed in Britain, really???
For god's sake these people speak the same language, how different can they be?
''The people we call Anglo-Saxons were actually immigrants from northern Germany and southern Scandinavia.''
LOL!

How many anti COVID restrictions protests in Sweden = zero

How many anti-COVID restrictions protests in England = four major protests and very many smaller.

You believe Swedes and Brits speak the same language?

You are correct. The people we call Anglo-Saxons left southern Scandinavia; they are not there anymore
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Cases going up in S.Italy and UK?
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Old 13.11.2020, 09:32
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@ V and Vladest - are you the same person or just of the same breed of heartless ------?
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I've got to admit, this virus is hard on a number of age groups for a variety of different reasons.

I'm 39 and at risk (asthma + autoimmune), and it has been awful to watch my husband climb up the walls with boredom and missing his boxing and the gym. He does so gladly, but it is hard nonetheless to make him suffer because of me.

My friendships are dwindling because there is only so much connecting you can do virtually/with social distancing. They regularly get together and do activities during a pandemic that I wouldn't do even if I weren't at risk. I am missing out, all the time & I feel like a social pariah. It just hurts, it really does.

I am fairly certain I had the virus the last week in February...there are so many days where I just want to say "F@*k it, let's not worry, we will probably be fine if we catch it, why don't we just get on with our lives". But then I of course change my mind because I think it is my duty to protect myself and others in this crisis.

While I have it better than many, it still sucks and I know I'm not alone. Hope this vaccine comes to us soon, really do.
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Old 13.11.2020, 13:22
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I've got to admit, this virus is hard on a number of age groups for a variety of different reasons.

I'm 39 and at risk (asthma + autoimmune), and it has been awful to watch my husband climb up the walls with boredom and missing his boxing and the gym. He does so gladly, but it is hard nonetheless to make him suffer because of me.

My friendships are dwindling because there is only so much connecting you can do virtually/with social distancing. They regularly get together and do activities during a pandemic that I wouldn't do even if I weren't at risk. I am missing out, all the time & I feel like a social pariah. It just hurts, it really does.

I am fairly certain I had the virus the last week in February...there are so many days where I just want to say "F@*k it, let's not worry, we will probably be fine if we catch it, why don't we just get on with our lives". But then I of course change my mind because I think it is my duty to protect myself and others in this crisis.

While I have it better than many, it still sucks and I know I'm not alone. Hope this vaccine comes to us soon, really do.
Thank you very much for giving us such an honest insight into how it feels to be in the at risk group. I really hope some of the proponents of "simply lock the vulnerable and old away" read your comments and think a bit more about the type of society we would be if we simply left some groups, marginalised, excluded and isolated.

My mother who is 88 said the other day that she's no use to anyone and is just a potential drain on society. Awful for a person to be made to feel like that.

Like you, this vaccine can't come soon enough for me.
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers 6739 (for thursday) out of 32k tests

262 hospitalisations
97 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
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Old 13.11.2020, 13:31
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Todays published numbers 6739 (for thursday) out of 32k tests

262 hospitalisations
97 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
One week ago 9409.
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Old 13.11.2020, 13:40
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Todays published numbers 6739 (for thursday) out of 32k tests

262 hospitalisations
97 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
On the graph on the page it shows newly reported numbers in orange.. I see that some previous days have orange bits on them too and not just current day..

Does that mean that newly found results were added to previous days but they were not reported on that day, and they were all positive.

A bit like the american election?
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Old 13.11.2020, 14:10
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On the graph on the page it shows newly reported numbers in orange.. I see that some previous days have orange bits on them too and not just current day..

Does that mean that newly found results were added to previous days but they were not reported on that day, and they were all positive.

A bit like the american election?
My understanding is that the new cases/hospitalizations/death reported per day are the sum of the orange bits, i.e. distributed over a number of days.
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My understanding is that the new cases/hospitalizations/death reported per day are the sum of the orange bits, i.e. distributed over a number of days.
I still dont understand
The blue are marked as cases & the orange as new cases
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Old 13.11.2020, 16:24
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Re: Coronavirus

From the 20Min, Cantons BE and LU are asking for help from volunteers with medical qualifications/exerience - doctors, nurses, EMTs, 4th year medical students, med technicians, nursing assistants, etc.

Bern:
https://www.20min.ch/story/verfuegba...n-717455531162

Luzern:
https://www.20min.ch/story/luzern-su...e-693242621816

Links to the cantonal pages where one can volunteer are given in each article.


ETA: The term 'Freiwillig' seems a bit ambiguous. I believe this is paid work, discussions of pay and hours would be had with the individual hospitals. The canton is building a platform of potentially available personnel.

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Old 13.11.2020, 16:52
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KN95 Mask Recall

Due to quality issues: Government calls back face masks labelled with «KN95 MASK folding respirator» and purchased via Solupro GmbH, Stadelhofen Apotheke Zürich or Mistel Apotheke in Hombrechtikon. #CoronaInfoCH #Zürich #Hombrechtikon
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Conclusion The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients and other factors. The inferred infection fatality rates tended to be much lower than estimates made earlier in the pandemic.
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Exactly.
The attitude has been totally different in countries like Italy and Greece where old people are more integral to family life and more valued by society.
I am confused. The poster suggesting that it is responsibility of the elderly to avoid social interactions during the pandemic. If elderly rather take a risk instead of stop living , it is their choice and not of their children. Unless children have guardianship rights.

Stop treating elderly as mentally incompetent or children.

Government policy should take into account the risk factors and population segments they applied to.
If this was Measles pandemic and small children were disproportionally affected would you advocate for adults to go into a lock down, and claim those who oppose are simply hate little kids?

As far as Italy and Greece, I am familiar with that cultural affliction that prevents adult males from leaving home. They pathetically cling to their parents all their lives and often mooch off them instead of providing for them.
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I am confused. The poster suggesting that it is responsibility of the elderly to avoid social interactions during the pandemic. If elderly rather take a risk instead of stop living , it is their choice and not of their children. Unless children have guardianship rights.

Stop treating elderly as mentally incompetent or children.
Never did. They're valued as integral parts of their families and rarely sent to homes for the elderly, therefore their protection requires a concerted effort by all generations of the family.

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As far as Italy and Greece, I am familiar with that cultural affliction that prevents adult males from leaving home. They pathetically cling to their parents all their lives and often mooch off them instead of providing for them.
What a load of horse manure! Where are you from?
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Re: Coronavirus

I work for one of the big pharma companies.

We received a figure in a talk from a very senior Harvard epidemiologist. His figure for whites was 0.19% fatality rate. I can't remember the exact figure for non-whites, but it was something like 0.4%.

The 1% was always going to be a significant overestimate. You just had to look at the results from the cruise ships to see that.
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Old 13.11.2020, 21:04
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Never did. They're valued as integral parts of their families and rarely sent to homes for the elderly, therefore their protection requires a concerted effort by all generations of the family.

What a load of horse manure! Where are you from?
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