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LOL!

How many anti COVID restrictions protests in Sweden = zero
Could this be because there is no restrictions in Sweden?

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How many anti-COVID restrictions protests in England = four major protests and very many smaller.
I let you answer this one on you own. No googling or posting links, just on your own.

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You believe Swedes and Brits speak the same language?
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You are correct. The people we call Anglo-Saxons left southern Scandinavia; they are not there anymore
There were never any Anglo Saxon people in Germany or Southern Scandinavia. You need to read that quote a few more times.
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Could this be because there is no restrictions in Sweden?
Nope. There are if you bother looking. But clearly not enough as their infection rate is on target to overtake Switzerland fairly soon.
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Old 14.11.2020, 10:48
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Re: Coronavirus

Seems the Swiss task force agree with those of us that are concerned that the current measures are insufficient to bring the infection rate down fast enough. From their twitter (also in the Tagi's ticker) they recommend:

- closure of bars, restaurants, sports halls, museums, etc.
- private groups maximum 2 households
- Compulsory home office wherever possible

Wonder if the BR will have the guts to do this.

https://twitter.com/SwissScience_TF?...g-707221502952
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Old 14.11.2020, 11:12
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Seems the Swiss task force agree with those of us that are concerned that the current measures are insufficient to bring the infection rate down fast enough. From their twitter (also in the Tagi's ticker) they recommend:

- closure of bars, restaurants, sports halls, museums, etc.
- private groups maximum 2 households
- Compulsory home office wherever possible

Wonder if the BR will have the guts to do this.

https://twitter.com/SwissScience_TF?...g-707221502952
I guess they will want to see if the trend of declining hospitalizations continues. If so and if people get also discharged from hospitals relatively quickly, the situation in the hospitals might be manageable. As long as this is the case, I cannot see tightening of rules.

Just my gut feeling. The sentiment - at least here in the German part - seems to be that numbers are improving and things are more or less under control. If the trend continues, politically they will have to defend keeping the current measures in place (and they should).

Of course, if we still see 200 hospitalizations per day going forward, this will quickly look different.
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Old 14.11.2020, 11:25
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Re: Coronavirus

I cannot see why feds would want to apply our strict measures (that's what we got in Romandie, pretty much) in all of CH where the situation vastly differs. The pressure is on the most affected areas to shield the others.

Fresh News from Eastern European Front: estimated 30% of CZ children are struggling with making progress through the strict confinement. The most helpful stats last week - social contacts limited to 50% of the normal life, mainly of people between 18-34yr (virologists and math modellers wanted 70% reduction). Schools planned to reopen in a few days, primaries only. Gradual reopening of all areas is planned via points (complex risk management, multifactorial, based on who meets with whom, how long for, area, etc.). Numbers have stabilized, daily cca 7000 new cases, hospitalized also around 7000. Prague shows the best numbers (it was the worst cca a month ago).
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Re: Coronavirus

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Seems the Swiss task force agree with those of us that are concerned that the current measures are insufficient to bring the infection rate down fast enough. From their twitter (also in the Tagi's ticker) they recommend:

- closure of bars, restaurants, sports halls, museums, etc.
- private groups maximum 2 households
- Compulsory home office wherever possible

Wonder if the BR will have the guts to do this.

https://twitter.com/SwissScience_TF?...g-707221502952
Absolutely not a chance while cases are rapidly falling.
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Re: Coronavirus

On the BBC today Mr. Trump is quoted as saying “Lockdowns cost lives” and I am struggling to understand this.

What lives are at risk when a lockdown occurs.

The US is currently experiencing 900, or so, deaths a day. And there are 67 days until 20 January that mean 60,000 deaths in the remaining Trump presidency if nothing is done to reduce the infection rate.

It would seem to me that far more deaths will occur if lockdowns don’t happen than if they do.
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Old 14.11.2020, 13:01
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Could this be because there is no restrictions in Sweden?

I let you answer this one on you own. No googling or posting links, just on your own.

Very similar just use your google skills.

There were never any Anglo Saxon people in Germany or Southern Scandinavia. You need to read that quote a few more times.
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On the BBC today Mr. Trump is quoted as saying “Lockdowns cost lives” and I am struggling to understand this.

What lives are at risk when a lockdown occurs.

The US is currently experiencing 900, or so, deaths a day. And there are 67 days until 20 January that mean 60,000 deaths in the remaining Trump presidency if nothing is done to reduce the infection rate.

It would seem to me that far more deaths will occur if lockdowns don’t happen than if they do.
Maybe he's referring loosely to an uptick in domestic violence and suicides? I've not seen any stats for the USA that would prove such a statement though. I've not seen any stats that show more people are dying from domestic violence or suicides than from Covid, anywhere in the world.

Strict, mid-to long-term lockdowns do cost livelihoods (earnings, job security) for many.
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Old 14.11.2020, 13:18
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Re: Coronavirus

Austria - with case numbers and hospital situation not too dissimilar to Switzerland - apparently plans hard lock down with everything nonessential and schools closing for 3 weeks. Only minimal contacts allowed.
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Old 14.11.2020, 14:11
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Greece is planning a tight lockdown - schools (primary and day-cares) plan to close till the end of Nov.
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Maybe he's referring loosely to an uptick in domestic violence and suicides? I've not seen any stats for the USA that would prove such a statement though. I've not seen any stats that show more people are dying from domestic violence or suicides than from Covid, anywhere in the world.

Strict, mid-to long-term lockdow42ns do cost livelihoods (earnings, job security) for many.
More people are dying from starvation due to first world countries lockdowns, however those people are not in CH & live on less than $2 a day, do they count?
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More people are dying from starvation due to first world countries lockdowns, however those people are not in CH & live on less than $2 a day, do they count?
Of course they do, but I was asking about Trumps reference to lockdowns costing lives. I assume he was referring to US lives. The poverty problem is extreme in the US but I don’t think starvation has hit there (yet).

I just would like to understand what Mr. Trump is thinking.
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Of course they do, but I was asking about Trumps reference to lockdowns costing lives. I assume he was referring to US lives. The poverty problem is extreme in the US but I don’t think starvation has hit there (yet).

I just would like to understand what Mr. Trump is thinking.
I think he just heard it from the W.H.O., probably did not realise it was non Americans who would die of starvation. I don't think he is able to think
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I just would like to understand what Mr. Trump is thinking.
I think most people have been saying the same for the last few years.
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I just would like to understand what Mr. Trump is thinking.
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Re: Coronavirus

Just had a look at the latest TF Policy Brief where these additional measures are recommended. They say that "certified ICU capacity" is 100% full, and that R is understated because of the high positivity rates. That is the rationale for tighter measures.

But then we heard that ICU were something like 78% in on of the BAG pressers. Is that then with additional beds, i.e. "non-certified"? What does this certification mean?

https://ncs-tf.ch/en/policy-briefs

"Despite great efforts to increase it, the hospital capacity, in particular
in intensive care units (ICUs), almost fully utilized and possibly already exceeded. According to the latest data from the KSD's IES system, we have now (on November 13, 2020) in essentially the full capacity of the 885 certified adult intensive care beds achieved. 867 patients in the intensive care unit, 511 of whom are Covid-19 patients. These numbers
reflect the full extent of the situation with which the nursing teams in the intensive care units are faced, as the expert in intensive care of the task force reports. The number of Covid19 patients in intensive care has not yet stabilized, it has increased in the last four days 44 patients (10%) gained weight. In addition, there is an "accumulation effect" that affects the long
Most of these patients stayed here (median about 12 days). At a
Reproduction rate of around 1 would keep the health system at least a few more weeks are under great pressure (see Policy Brief of November 6, 2020)." [Google Translate]
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Maybe he's referring loosely to an uptick in domestic violence and suicides? I've not seen any stats for the USA that would prove such a statement though. I've not seen any stats that show more people are dying from domestic violence or suicides than from Covid, anywhere in the world.

Strict, mid-to long-term lockdowns do cost livelihoods (earnings, job security) for many.
I watched him yesterday and I thought he mentioned alcoholism, drugs, depression...can’t recall what else.

Since he pulled the US out of WHO, I doubt any third world stats are implied
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Re: Coronavirus

One study in US (1981) estimates that every percentage point increase in unemployment equals 35k more deaths per year. So think about it, before you cheer for lockdowns. Maybe you wont be affected, but thousands will be. You can protect yourself against the virus, you can not secure your job, when gov closes down your sector.
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