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Old 14.11.2020, 19:36
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I work for one of the big pharma companies.

We received a figure in a talk from a very senior Harvard epidemiologist. His figure for whites was 0.19% fatality rate. I can't remember the exact figure for non-whites, but it was something like 0.4%.

The 1% was always going to be a significant overestimate. You just had to look at the results from the cruise ships to see that.
This isn't only about fatality rates.

"COVID-19 Causes Neurological Damage in About 1 in 7 Patients"

“The neurological complications seen in COVID-19 are predominately the secondary effects of being severely ill and suffering from low oxygen levels in the body for prolonged periods of time.”

Research Roundup: COVID-19 Neurological Damage and More
https://www.biospace.com/article/res...mage-and-more/

The hidden long-term cognitive effects of COVID-19
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2020100821133
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Old 15.11.2020, 00:25
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
Sweden, whose unorthodox virus-fighting strategy has garnered global attention, registered 5,990 new cases on Friday; the highest since the start of the pandemic, statistics from Sweden's Health Agency show.

Sweden registered 42 new deaths.

Another failed TC forecast
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Maybe he's referring loosely to an uptick in domestic violence and suicides? I've not seen any stats for the USA that would prove such a statement though. I've not seen any stats that show more people are dying from domestic violence or suicides than from Covid, anywhere in the world.

Strict, mid-to long-term lockdowns do cost livelihoods (earnings, job security) for many.
Can look for a link if you want but he did say a week or so ago something along the line of "people are dying of tremendous abuse" referring to domestic violence.
Don't know where he got his data from and which was the exact context, but he did refer to the USA. It is consistent with every other country probably, it's not a secret alcoholism and drugs consumption have increased, hence more domestic violence cases etc. I don't think Trump has ever referred to the world in general when talking about pandemic though.

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I think he just heard it from the W.H.O., probably did not realise it was non Americans who would die of starvation. I don't think he is able to think
Trump staying tuned to WHO.....that's quite an assumption.

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Old 15.11.2020, 09:47
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Re: Coronavirus

Suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of COVID

Far more Japanese people are dying of suicide, likely exacerbated by the economic and social repercussions of the pandemic, than of the COVID-19 disease itself.

Women, who have primary responsibility for childcare, have borne the brunt of pandemic-induced job losses and insecurity. They're also at greater risk of domestic violence, which help centers say has worsened here this year, as it has around the world.
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Sweden, whose unorthodox virus-fighting strategy has garnered global attention, registered 5,990 new cases on Friday; the highest since the start of the pandemic, statistics from Sweden's Health Agency show.

Sweden registered 42 new deaths.

Another failed TC forecast
most of the outbreak registered in region Skåne, which has no that many cases in "1st wave". So yes, herd immunity works pretty well
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Old 15.11.2020, 10:06
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most of the outbreak registered in region Skåne, which has no that many cases in "1st wave". So yes, herd immunity works pretty well
As is also proven in Lombardy, Madrid, Geneva ...


Data for Stockholm:



What are you talking about?
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Re: Coronavirus

Looks like this thread is in need of a 'reality check' about Pandemics and how long Pandemics last
within human society after the initial outbreak.
As it looks like many posters have forgotten that we have been living with a Pandemic virus
'within our midst' for decades already and for which there is still no guaranteed cure or
effective vaccine to stop you getting the virus.
The only progress we've made against it is that it's no longer as life threatening as it was in the
past and the new treatments have made the virus more manageable in those that have been
infected, in order for them to continue their lives as normal.

I am of course referring to the HIV/AIDS Pandemic that was first identified in the Congo
back in 1976 and spread across the world in the early 1980's, killing more than 36 million
people since 1981.

Currently there are between 31 and 35 million people living with HIV.
So far - There is currently no licensed HIV vaccine on the market, but multiple research
projects are trying to find an effective vaccine.

I'm sure the lack of progress & breakthrough on the HIV/AIDS vaccine, is why many scientists
and epidemiologists have been so gloomy about research labs coming up with a scientific
breakthrough for a Covid vaccine which is what makes last weeks announcement even more
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Old 15.11.2020, 10:24
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Big difference though is that HIV spreads in a totally different way than Covid19 does.
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Big difference though is that HIV spreads in a totally different way than Covid19 does.
But HIV/AIDS is still classed as a Pandemic and whats more a perfect example of a virus that's been in our midst
and not gone away for decades. I'm sure there are many people who know or have a personal acquaintance of
someone whos living with AIDS.
In fact many countries banned people from travelling or entering their country in the past, unless they tested
negative for HIV/AIDS.
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What are you talking about?
still looking on number of cases? ok
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As is also proven in Lombardy, Madrid, Geneva ...


Data for Stockholm:



What are you talking about?
Data from Lombardy prove this, when you look them closer. It's a big region, that had covid bubbles. Bubbles are doing better now. But we are still far away from herd immunity numbers.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ing-better-now
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still looking on number of cases? ok
Do you think before you type? If there was immunity as you claim, there wouldn't be many cases, right? Cases = infection = not immune.

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Data from Lombardy prove this, when you look them closer. It's a big region, that had covid bubbles. Bubbles are doing better now. But we are still far away from herd immunity numbers.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ing-better-now
Yes, 23% is still far from herd immunity. Also, the case data of wave 2 used here is from Oct 1-25. Cases in Lombardy have been going through the roof from late October on, so not sure this graph would actually still look the same.

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Old 15.11.2020, 11:28
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But HIV/AIDS is still classed as a Pandemic and whats more a perfect example of a virus that's been in our midst
and not gone away for decades. I'm sure there are many people who know or have a personal acquaintance of
someone whos living with AIDS.
In fact many countries banned people from travelling or entering their country in the past, unless they tested
negative for HIV/AIDS.
Actually HIV/AIDS is generally classed as a global epidemic rather than a pandemic.
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Old 15.11.2020, 11:53
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Re: Coronavirus

I am totally lost when people talk about domestic violence, domestic abuse relating to Covid.

Sure the numbers may have gone up but why would you live together, marry, make children if you cannot spend time with them? Call me old school but it doesn't make any sense

I think families must get their act together rather than blaming this pandemic..
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Old 15.11.2020, 12:05
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But HIV/AIDS is still classed as a Pandemic and whats more a perfect example of a virus that's been in our midst
and not gone away for decades. I'm sure there are many people who know or have a personal acquaintance of
someone whos living with AIDS.
In fact many countries banned people from travelling or entering their country in the past, unless they tested
negative for HIV/AIDS.
For sure you can play with the word "Pandemic".

Corona spreads easily from one person to another, this is a fact. Spreads by air, touch etc. So a person will not know whats in the environment around him/her specially in densely populated areas.

Everyone know HIV/AIDS infection is your own life choice. If a person doesn't make himself the village bicycle and use protection you will not catch it. I will not have any second thoughts about going into a room filled with HIV infected persons. The same room with Covid positives.. hell NO!
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Italy which has had one of the strictest mask requirements, even forcing people people to wear them outdoors at all times, has seen an explosion of cases in recent days. Regions are now going back into strict lockdown as a result of the new surge in cases. Without masks no doubt the numbers would be far higher
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Italy which has had one of the strictest mask requirements, even forcing people people to wear them outdoors at all times, has seen an explosion of cases in recent days. Regions are now going back into strict lockdown as a result of the new surge in cases. Without masks no doubt the numbers would be far higher
Somehow it sounds like that makes you happy...... strange ....
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Nice of the BMJ to finally admit the politicisation of science, and more importantly the serious consequences of going down this path. When I made a similar assessment a few weeks ago I seem to recall I was told on these pages that I was completely wrong

Now if only the BMJ and other journals would start practicing what they preach! Instead of publishing papers on "long covid" that don't even require people to have tested positive, perhaps they can start with the Danish mask study

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
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Corona spreads easily from one person to another, this is a fact.
Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
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Somehow it sounds like that makes you happy...... strange ....
I'm happy alright, happy that I live in Switzerland and we've bucked the trend over lockdowns, that numbers are on the decline and we're able to carry on with life with a certain degree of normality! Masks are a smallish price to pay for this in comparison to what other countries are going through at the moment.
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