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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
Separated beds?


I'm kidding. But yeah, it's true that not everyone gets it even if there's one person infected in a household. Or in a school class, office, etc.
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Seems the Swiss task force agree with those of us that are concerned that the current measures are insufficient to bring the infection rate down fast enough. From their twitter (also in the Tagi's ticker) they recommend:

- closure of bars, restaurants, sports halls, museums, etc.
- private groups maximum 2 households
- Compulsory home office wherever possible

Wonder if the BR will have the guts to do this.

https://twitter.com/SwissScience_TF?...g-707221502952
The full policy brief is here: https://ncs-tf.ch/de/policy-briefs

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The current state of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic continues to pose a significant risk to Switzerland: it threatens the physical and mental health of people, delays recovery of the economy, puts a heavy burden on society and undermines the reputation of Switzerland.

The indicators collected to monitor the epidemic (confirmed daily case numbers, hospital stays, transfers to intensive care units, deaths) still provide no reliable indications that a turnaround has been achieved.

In order to achieve a sustainable use of health resources and efficient management of the epidemic we propose to halve the daily number of new infections by at least every two weeks, which means that the reproduction rate should fall below 0.8.

This would reduce the number of new cases within 8 weeks to less than 500 per day (with the current estimated reproduction rate of 0.91 it would take 5 months to achieve this objective).

We expect that a reinforcement of the existing measures and the addition of additional measures will allow to achieve this goal and to reduce the current burden on health and the economy.
Currently, the reproduction number is 0.91 on the basis of confirmed cases, and 1.03 on the basis of hospitalizations. However, this could be an underestimation, since the positivity rate is so high.

ICU occupancy is doubling every 14-21 days (a week ago it was doublingevery 7.8-9.6 days).

Deaths are doubling every 5.9-12.4 days (a week ago they were doubling every 3.9-6.6 days).
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Old 15.11.2020, 14:44
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For sure you can play with the word "Pandemic".

Corona spreads easily from one person to another, this is a fact. Spreads by air, touch etc. So a person will not know whats in the environment around him/her specially in densely populated areas.

Everyone know HIV/AIDS infection is your own life choice. If a person doesn't make himself the village bicycle and use protection you will not catch it. I will not have any second thoughts about going into a room filled with HIV infected persons. The same room with Covid positives.. hell NO!
You missed the point of the post and wandered off somewhere else in your answer, namely:

1. Did the HIV/AIDS spread globally - answer yes.
2. Did the HIV/AIDS virus die out - answer no, its still with us today
and hasn't mutated into a less harmful version of the virus.
3. Is there a known vaccine that can you protect you against HIV/AIDS - answer no.

Finally you missed out hemophiliacs and other groups of people who relied on
blood transfusion and got infected by hiv-contaminated blood back in
the 1980's before any effective blood tests to identify HIV/AIDS carriers
was perfected.
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Old 15.11.2020, 15:17
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go get learn how pcr tests works and how immunity works
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Somehow it sounds like that makes you happy...... strange ....
I have same feelings when you guys found any evidence, that Swedish approach doesnt works
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Old 15.11.2020, 15:50
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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
I read about one just this morning, it is probably more frequent, though, in areas where there generally is more viral loud around than what we have here.

It was coincidentally a young (31) filmaker's blog from CZ, I'll pin it here, one just needs to switch the English translating on. He writes really well and with humor, not sure if it will translate. He owns up to a complete germophobia also because they got a 4mo old baby (he calls the 4month-er) so they are more than careful. He is genuinely shocked that he and his wife still got infected, really careful and in a tight lockdown. It gets serious, he ends up with pulmonary embolia (because he had trombosis before), in Prague ICU unit and writes about what happens around.

He was ill a few days, 3 days recovery with no symptoms and then day 11 he got really ill again, this virus is really up and down for some folks. It went all on his social media. Readers insisted that he calls an ambulance and it saved him, he and his wife were both pretty out of it, exhausted. I don't know how they pulled it off with a 4mo old and a dog to walk in a tall high-riser where they didn't want to bug anyone and possibly spread anything...He is great in his blog. What he wrote about laid off waiters and restaurant staff who got quickly retrained and hired to work as nurse aids is fabulous, these guys served the hospital food with the utmost grace and manners, happy to be able to work and help. He saw 50 medical employees during his one week hospitalization, everybody rotates fast there since so many employees get infected. I am glad he and his wife recovered. He will donate plasma, his wife is nursing so probably not.

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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
Apparently it's about 30% transmission rate between couples.
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Old 15.11.2020, 17:35
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what about you?
Go get learn how pcr tests works and how immunity works
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Old 15.11.2020, 17:47
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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
My best friend gave it to his wife, she ended up having a worse time then him and still hasn’t gotten her taste back.

I am almost certain I had it the last days in February - I only think that I did not because my husband didn’t get ill & neither did my colleagues who I had been in close contact with at a work offsite when I started to feel unwell.
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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
How do you know that your wife never caught it?

1. She had negative nose-throat swab for remnants of virus?
2. She had negative Covid anti-bodies test?

or

3. She had no pronounced symptoms of Covid unlike yourself?
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Apparently it's about 30% transmission rate between couples.

Don't take my word for it though:

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...lm3s8-JRlV2LX9
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Old 15.11.2020, 18:47
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how do you know that your wife never caught it?

1. She had negative nose-throat swab for remnants of virus?
2. She had negative covid anti-bodies test?

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3. She had no pronounced symptoms of covid unlike yourself?
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You missed the point of the post and wandered off somewhere else in your answer, namely:

1. Did the HIV/AIDS spread globally - answer yes.
2. Did the HIV/AIDS virus die out - answer no, its still with us today
and hasn't mutated into a less harmful version of the virus.
3. Is there a known vaccine that can you protect you against HIV/AIDS - answer no.

Finally you missed out hemophiliacs and other groups of people who relied on
blood transfusion and got infected by hiv-contaminated blood back in
the 1980's before any effective blood tests to identify HIV/AIDS carriers
was perfected.
Vaccine or not - if you have accessible and effective therapeutics / medications, this is essentially cured in my view. Isn't this the case for HIV?

Actually, I would feel more comfortable with a proper "aspirin" rather than having to vaccinate every 6 months when it comes to Covid.
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Old 15.11.2020, 19:34
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Apparently it's about 30% transmission rate between couples.
I'd love to know why boredtodeath groaned this. I've read 50% rather than 30% but the principle holds.
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I'd love to know why boredtodeath groaned this. I've read 50% rather than 30% but the principle holds.
No one knows why the transmission is so low.
It could be the t-cells, the blood group, using Listerine or doggie style.
Personally I believe 30% is probably the amount of people who are happily married and actually interact with eachother.
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I'm sure the lack of progress & breakthrough on the HIV/AIDS vaccine, is why many scientists
and epidemiologists have been so gloomy about research labs coming up with a scientific
breakthrough for a Covid vaccine which is what makes last weeks announcement even more
remarkable.
No. Any scientist in the field would know that none of the challenges of the HIV vaccine (100% mortality rate if untreated, the fact that immune system activation helps the virus, very frequent mutations, lack of good targets for antibodies) applies to coronaviruses. They are simply nothing alike.

Many scientists were gloomy simply because vaccines have rarely (if ever) been created that quickly before.
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This does not mean she has not contracted disease from you. It also does not mean she has no immunity to the Covid.

People who are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, do not develop strong enough antibody titer to be detected by current tests.

Based on what clinical lit. reported so far it is a highly contagious virus that is difficult to detect even in sick people. You have to test the person just at the right time to detect viral particles in his upper respiratory. If you missed the window, test will return negative yet patient can be displaying Covid symptoms or no symptoms at all.
Anti-body tests currently available are confirmatory tests and only able to demonstrate that patient with severe symptoms has high titer thus confirming that patient's symptoms most likely belonged to Covid infection.

If person is living in the same household with an infected individual it is more likely than not such person also had been infected. Anti-body or not such person will have immunity to the virus, most likely.

P.S. There is plenty of clin. evidence to suspect that patients who develop severe symptoms do so due to their own autoimmune reaction. Thus it is not the viral toxicity that causes severe cases or death, but your own immune system overreacting to the novel virus.

P.P.S. Most likely we will never know how many people carry immunity to the virus or have been infected during this pandemic, thus throwing numbers like 30% 45% 73.5% is just 'dumb science'.

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Old 15.11.2020, 22:39
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Vaccine or not - if you have accessible and effective therapeutics / medications, this is essentially cured in my view. Isn't this the case for HIV?

Actually, I would feel more comfortable with a proper "aspirin" rather than having to vaccinate every 6 months when it comes to Covid.
I agree.

As to HIV, no it can not (yet) be cured but afaIk one can live with it on the meds, outbreak can be postponed I think. And it can still be transmitted.
And I don't think HIV and Corona are comparable really.
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More people are dying from starvation due to first world countries lockdowns, however those people are not in CH & live on less than $2 a day, do they count?
Lockdown here kills people in, say, subsaharan Africa? (or wherever else, please name) How does that work?
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Suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of COVID

Far more Japanese people are dying of suicide, likely exacerbated by the economic and social repercussions of the pandemic, than of the COVID-19 disease itself.
And? In what way are the two data points related beyond the fact that they've occured in the same country?
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