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The number of suicides in Japan rose in October for the fourth month in a row to the highest level in more than five years, data showed Tuesday, a trend activists have blamed on the economic impact of the coronavirus, on women in particular.
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Re: Coronavirus

Here is my non-scientific observation

- Covid-19 is not as deadly as was initially thought.
- The Yea-sayers want it to be more deadly than it actually is.
- The Nay-sayers want it to be less deadly than it actually is.
- Anyone above age 80 is on borrowed time, Covid or no Covid! So statistically for me that age group carries less weight when it comes to proving Covid's deadliness.
- I don't want to catch Covid, unless I come out 100% unscathed. I meet zillion people daily so maybe I already have it?
- Most governments seem clueless on the best way to handle the situation.
- I don't know what is right or wrong, I have no answers
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Covid-19 is not as deadly as was initially thought.
Almost all studies have a death rate of close to 0.7 per 100 (+/- 0.1 or so). That has not changed materially since fairly early days, perhaps right at the start some were concerned it might be higher (normal when you are faced with something completely new that you can't at that point accurately diagnose).

Only looking at the death rate also igores the problem of long Covid

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- The Yea-sayers want it to be more deadly than it actually is.
- The Nay-sayers want it to be less deadly than it actually is.
Only the second of those statements is true. The "Yea-sayers" are just facing up to the reality of the situation as verified by repeated studies and certainly not wanting more deaths.

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Anyone above age 80 is on borrowed time, Covid or no Covid! So statistically for me that age group carries less weight when it comes to proving Covid's deadliness.
Life expectancy at age 80 is about 9 years. Not borrowed time and an insult to all 80 year olds.
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SUPERSPREADER EVENT secret tip

When: ever day from 1200- 1400 uhr

Where: COOP Restaurant St Annahof Zurich

Special conditions: ALOT of people, bad ventilation, hot sticky air, masks generally not worn. You can see the viruses crawling up the wall!: .And of course saliva drops everywhere.
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Old 16.11.2020, 11:47
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The number of suicides in Japan rose in October for the fourth month in a row to the highest level in more than five years, data showed Tuesday, a trend activists have blamed on the economic impact of the coronavirus, on women in particular.
Hey, read the link you posted? Sure, it was the virus and the public policy about it. This is from the link you shared with us

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Through the ages in Japan, suicide has been seen as a way to avoid shame or dishonor. For many years getting psychological help was stigmatized, and Japan has the grim distinction of the highest suicide rate among G7 countries.
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New numbers for fri, sat & sun 12839 out of 59 k tests

483 hospitalisations
198 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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Old 16.11.2020, 12:08
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New numbers for fri, sat & sun 12839 out of 59 k tests

483 hospitalisations
198 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
New cases are down since the peak 2 weeks ago. I guess this week will be the peak of deaths. I'd feel worried, but every time I see the population at risk in large groups, very close and without a mask, the worry is gone.

Also, bonus points for the elderly lady that jumped between my wife and me while rubbing my arm at coop to grab a yogurt. She could not wait 10 seconds while I reached for a pack and put it on the cart. If they don't care for themselves, no public policy will save them. Maybe I need to wear a t-shirt telling I'm still going to the office and the gym and my wife one that tells I work with large groups of children every day.
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New numbers for fri, sat & sun 12839 out of 59 k tests

483 hospitalisations
198 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
One week ago 17'309
Two weeks ago 21'926

Bravo Switzerland!!!!
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One week ago 17'309
Two weeks ago 21'926

Bravo Switzerland!!!!
How many tests were carried out on those dates?

Today’s data shows a 21.76% positivity rate, it would be interesting to see how that compares with the previous two Mondays.
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How many tests were carried out on those dates?

Today’s data shows a 21.76% positivity rate, it would be interesting to see how that compares with the previous two Mondays.
Nov 2: 24.7%
Nov 9: 23.4%
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How many tests were carried out on those dates?

Today’s data shows a 21.76% positivity rate, it would be interesting to see how that compares with the previous two Mondays.
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Nov 2: 24.7%
Nov 9: 23.4%
Nov 9 (73k tests)

Nov 2 (88k tests)

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New cases are down since the peak 2 weeks ago. I guess this week will be the peak of deaths. I'd feel worried, but every time I see the population at risk in large groups, very close and without a mask, the worry is gone.

Also, bonus points for the elderly lady that jumped between my wife and me while rubbing my arm at coop to grab a yogurt. She could not wait 10 seconds while I reached for a pack and put it on the cart. If they don't care for themselves, no public policy will save them. Maybe I need to wear a t-shirt telling I'm still going to the office and the gym and my wife one that tells I work with large groups of children every day.
I know it can be frustrating, just keep in mind that from a certain age...people become kids again. I don't think they behave like that on purpose, some of them simply don't realise they're at risk. Letting aside the Swiss preference for cutting queues and jumping in front of you to be first every chance they get.
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Old 16.11.2020, 13:20
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I know it can be frustrating, just keep in mind that from a certain age...people become kids again. I don't think they behave like that on purpose, some of them simply don't realise they're at risk. Letting aside the Swiss preference for cutting queues and jumping in front of you to be first every chance they get.
Haha, not frustrating, just curious. I can be a virus carrier and somehow it's OK to rub in the supermarket. Also funny, it's totally not OK to get that close on public transport, it would be almost deemed as harassment. I just laugh at how a lot of things are cultural, not rational.

Also this weekend, rode my bike in the forest and found a 15+ gathering of seniors at a grillplatz. Only a couple of them answered to my badly spelled gruezi mitenand. The rest were mute and stiff as kids caught with the hands on the cookie jar
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Also this weekend, rode my bike in the forest and found a 15+ gathering of seniors at a grillplatz. Only a couple of them answered to my badly spelled gruezi mitenand. The rest were mute and stiff as kids caught with the hands on the cookie jar
Yes, I have red about those secret rave parties
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Almost all studies have a death rate of close to 0.7 per 100 (+/- 0.1 or so). That has not changed materially since fairly early days, perhaps right at the start some were concerned it might be higher (normal when you are faced with something completely new that you can't at that point accurately diagnose).

Only looking at the death rate also igores the problem of long Covid


Only the second of those statements is true. The "Yea-sayers" are just facing up to the reality of the situation as verified by repeated studies and certainly not wanting more deaths.



Life expectancy at age 80 is about 9 years. Not borrowed time and an insult to all 80 year olds.
Really? I'd say consensus is now in the 0.2 to 0.5 range. It was higher in the early days with bad treatment.

TBH I would say that 0.7% is not consistent with quite a few pieces of data. For instance, Israel has had 324,293 diagnosed cases and 2,732 deaths.

Now thats pretty close to your 0.7%. Meaning your 0.7% could only be correct if there were next to no missed cases - which is not credible with this disease where we know that many cases are asymptomatic.

I attended an online talk given by a Harvard epidemiologist - his figures are 0.19% for whites, and about double that for non-whites.

The highest testing nations per capita are Gibraltar and the Faroe Islands. Gibraltar has had 907 cases and 1 death. Faroe Islands 498 cases and no deaths. Is that really consistent with a 0.7% death ratio? You'd expect around 10 deaths in the two countries combined if it were.
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You missed the point of the post and wandered off somewhere else in your answer, namely:

1. Did the HIV/AIDS spread globally - answer yes.
2. Did the HIV/AIDS virus die out - answer no, its still with us today
and hasn't mutated into a less harmful version of the virus.
3. Is there a known vaccine that can you protect you against HIV/AIDS - answer no.

Finally you missed out hemophiliacs and other groups of people who relied on
blood transfusion and got infected by hiv-contaminated blood back in
the 1980's before any effective blood tests to identify HIV/AIDS carriers
was perfected.
People don't die from AIDS, they die with AIDS.

Therefore, according to a certain 2-3-4 people on here, there's nothing to worry about, just let nature run its course and the disease spread.
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The number of suicides in Japan rose in October for the fourth month in a row to the highest level in more than five years, data showed Tuesday, a trend activists have blamed on the economic impact of the coronavirus, on women in particular.
And? I blame it on whale fishing therefore you've got nothing to worry about.

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Really? I'd say consensus is now in the 0.2 to 0.5 range. It was higher in the early days with bad treatment.

TBH I would say that 0.7% is not consistent with quite a few pieces of data. For instance, Israel has had 324,293 diagnosed cases and 2,732 deaths.

Now thats pretty close to your 0.7%. Meaning your 0.7% could only be correct if there were next to no missed cases - which is not credible with this disease where we know that many cases are asymptomatic.

I attended an online talk given by a Harvard epidemiologist - his figures are 0.19% for whites, and about double that for non-whites.

The highest testing nations per capita are Gibraltar and the Faroe Islands. Gibraltar has had 907 cases and 1 death. Faroe Islands 498 cases and no deaths. Is that really consistent with a 0.7% death ratio? You'd expect around 10 deaths in the two countries combined if it were.
...Given the small populations it would be very easy for Gibraltar and Faroes to be outliers. If you look at the next two on the testing list, Andorra have 76 deaths from 5,872 cases (1.2%) and Luxembourg have 226 deaths from 27,092 cases (0.8%). Clearly also possible for these to be outliers. Of the only 2 larger countries with very high testing rates (>1m per 1m population) the death rates are 1.2% (Denmark) and 0.4% (Bahrain).

The UK and USA actually have decently high testing rates (both above ½m per 1m) and have death rates of 3.8% and 2.2% respectively.

Additionally you have to remember that the really increased deaths from the second wave in Europe are only now kicking in (4 to 5 week lag typically from infection to death) so with the currently high and rapidly increased infection numbers deaths will be undercounted for now.

Ultimately it's complicated and the truth will only be known in a year or more. I would probably accept the 0.5% figure as a decent compromise!
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The German Government hails its it's couch potatoes of 2020 in new 'stay at home' adverts

Yes Germany asks its citizens to be as lazy as raccoons this winter in latest TV adverts.



German Coronavirus pandemic veteran looks back at 2020 and says, honestly we did nothing
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The German Government hails its it's couch potatoes of 2020 in new 'stay at home' adverts

Yes Germany asks its citizens to be as lazy as racoons this winter in latest TV adverts.



German Coronavirus pandemic veteran looks back at 2020 and says, honestly we did nothing

Who says they don't have a sense of humor?
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