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Really? I'd say consensus is now in the 0.2 to 0.5 range. It was higher in the early days with bad treatment.

TBH I would say that 0.7% is not consistent with quite a few pieces of data. For instance, Israel has had 324,293 diagnosed cases and 2,732 deaths.

Now thats pretty close to your 0.7%. Meaning your 0.7% could only be correct if there were next to no missed cases - which is not credible with this disease where we know that many cases are asymptomatic.

I attended an online talk given by a Harvard epidemiologist - his figures are 0.19% for whites, and about double that for non-whites.

The highest testing nations per capita are Gibraltar and the Faroe Islands. Gibraltar has had 907 cases and 1 death. Faroe Islands 498 cases and no deaths. Is that really consistent with a 0.7% death ratio? You'd expect around 10 deaths in the two countries combined if it were.
Confirmed cases are only considered when calculating the death rate amongst the doom mongers. At the same time they tell us the infection rate is WAAAAY higher than the confirmed cases when arguing for stronger lockdown measures
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I know it can be frustrating, just keep in mind that from a certain age...people become kids again. I don't think they behave like that on purpose, some of them simply don't realise they're at risk. Letting aside the Swiss preference for cutting queues and jumping in front of you to be first every chance they get.
Emphasis mine. Or they don't care/aren't afraid.

If all goes to plan in a few weeks, we'll be going to see FIL for Christmas. He's over 70 and has pre-existing conditions so I'd say he's higher risk than many. But he wants us to come. Same as my mum wanted me to visit last month. For all of us in this family, the benefits outweigh the risks. For others, that might not be the case.
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Also, bonus points for the elderly lady that jumped between my wife and me while rubbing my arm at coop to grab a yogurt.

Be happy that the old lady did not sit on your lap or ask you to spoon-feed her the yogurt
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Bolsonaro tells Brazil not to deal with pandemic 'like a country of fags'
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I can't help myself but laughing after reading the news in Portuguese. First because the pais de maricas, he's really good at making friends, specially in the military. Second because he criticizes other countries for more drastic measures that scare the people from Brazil. If France goes full lockdown we don't care, but Bolsonaro is hurt by it

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Tudo agora é pandemia. Tem que acabar com esse negócio. Lamento os mortos, todos nós vamos morrer um dia. Não adianta fugir disso, fugir da realidade, tem que deixar de ser um país de maricas", afirmou o presidente.

Temos que enfrentar, peito aberto, lutar", continuou. Em seguida, Bolsonaro disse que a geração hoje em dia é de "Toddynho, Nutella, zap"

O presidente fez a afirmação após dizer que estava correto o propor medidas menos drásticas de isolamento social e criticar prefeitos e outros países que optaram por políticas mais severas e que agora "começam a amedrontar o povo brasileiro com a segunda onda"
https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equili...covid-19.shtml
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Not entirely true, my wife never caught it along with anyone I was with the week before I got it. I know 3 other couples when only 1 was infected.
I don't know of any couples who both caught it.
Well you now know one via the internet in any case

I got slightly sick end of October (wednesday), i didn't think I had it but decided to stay at home in any case. Friday comes and I now also have a slight fever so decide to get tested (first available slot sunday). Girlfriend also feeling a little sick so also gets a test on sunday.

On Monday I get the all clear but my girlfriend tests positive. I figured my viral load was too low after already getting better and thus negative case. 10 days of isolation start for both of us. Girlfriend feels much better by friday. On saturday morning I lose all sense of taste and smell, get tested on sunday and I am now positive so another 10 days of quarantine for me (not her).

I am due "back" (was supposed to start a new job at the start of the month) this Wednesday meaning I have spent the best part of 23 days at home
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Old 16.11.2020, 17:41
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Emphasis mine. Or they don't care/aren't afraid.

If all goes to plan in a few weeks, we'll be going to see FIL for Christmas. He's over 70 and has pre-existing conditions so I'd say he's higher risk than many. But he wants us to come. Same as my mum wanted me to visit last month. For all of us in this family, the benefits outweigh the risks. For others, that might not be the case.
Somebody posted people believe what they want to believe.

Anecdotal example.
I have a neighbour who works in a hospital in Zürich so has daily contact with COVID patients, even some deaths.
Her mother, who is in her sixties, believes COVID is a political hoax and they from time to time have very loud arguments about is it a hoax or not.
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Re: Coronavirus

Sweden unveiled its toughest restrictions yet to fight coronavirus as Europe’s outlier on Covid-19 is forced to move from recommendations to bans to stem rising cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

Prime minister Stefan Lofven struck a harsher tone on Monday.
Swedes are not sticking to coronavirus recommendations as well as in the spring and public gatherings will now be limited to eight people, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said, down from a previous upper limit of 300.

“This is the new norm for the entire society,” Lofven told a news conference. “Don’t go to gyms, don’t go to libraries, don’t host dinners. Cancel.”
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Re: Coronavirus

And via thelocal.ch, an update from yesterday on the coronagraben from RadioTV Suisse:

https://www.rts.ch/info/11752664-le-...-1605449950873

Of course, it contains dramatic music, a woman from Bern being honest, a man from Valais asking for a federal lockdown, and more things.

The interesting part is that people is now looking back at events with lots of people during September and October: municipal elections in Valais, la fête de la bénichon in Fribourg....I wonder what happened during the jeûne fédérale and jeûne genevois.
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Sooner or later people will realise that you're McTavGE's alter ego.

You haven't been diagnosed with schizophrenia by any chance? Or maybe you're an undiagnosed case?
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Re: Coronavirus

We're in a bit of a strange predicament (or were). My son, 9 yrs old, developed a cold on Friday evening and was sick through the weekend. It started with a sore throat, then a runny nose and then a slight cough, but he is much better today. He never developed a fever. We kept him home from school today, though.

My doctor's office had told me a few weeks ago to only come in for a COVID test if I develop a fever.

So now I have my son's same symptoms -- very bad sore throat yesterday (a bit better today) but now a sinus headache and runny nose (no cough yet). No fever. I called my doctor to see if I should get tested because I didn't know if to send my son to school, since he's better now in terms of symptoms but we have no idea if it's COVID. So even though I don't have a fever, I feel that we need to be tested because I certainly wouldn't want to send him to school if it is. My doctor said to call my son's doctor and have him tested and then if that's positive, then I can get a test. So right now, my son is off to his doctor's office to get a test. They said they might do a rapid test on him. (His papa is taking him, as papa has no symptoms). Fingers crossed.

Anyways... Sorry to ramble. I just feel that it doesn't really make sense to only do a test if an adult has a fever because then you could have parents sending their kids to school with the virus and not knowing it... especially since fever doesn't usually kick in until quite a while after one becomes contagious. Ugh... What a mess.
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We're in a bit of a strange predicament (or were). My son, 9 yrs old, developed a cold on Friday evening and was sick through the weekend. It started with a sore throat, then a runny nose and then a slight cough, but he is much better today. He never developed a fever. We kept him home from school today, though.

My doctor's office had told me a few weeks ago to only come in for a COVID test if I develop a fever.

So now I have my son's same symptoms -- very bad sore throat yesterday (a bit better today) but now a sinus headache and runny nose (no cough yet). No fever. I called my doctor to see if I should get tested because I didn't know if to send my son to school, since he's better now in terms of symptoms but we have no idea if it's COVID. So even though I don't have a fever, I feel that we need to be tested because I certainly wouldn't want to send him to school if it is. My doctor said to call my son's doctor and have him tested and then if that's positive, then I can get a test. So right now, my son is off to his doctor's office to get a test. They said they might do a rapid test on him. (His papa is taking him, as papa has no symptoms). Fingers crossed.

Anyways... Sorry to ramble. I just feel that it doesn't really make sense to only do a test if an adult has a fever because then you could have parents sending their kids to school with the virus and not knowing it... especially since fever doesn't usually kick in until quite a while after one becomes contagious. Ugh... What a mess.
Hope you all remain well, and that if it is COVID, that you all feel a bit safer once you have recovered.
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Old 16.11.2020, 18:41
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Hope you all remain well, and that if it is COVID, that you all feel a bit safer once you have recovered.
Thanks. If they do a rapid test on him, I'll try to post an update with the results. One thing I am worried about though, is him having a false negative.

I'm just so glad that I had my vitamin D checked a couple weeks ago. It was found to be too low (as expected), so now I'm on the high, prescribed dose to get my levels up. I just hope my levels are decent right now -- no idea how long that takes to work.

I would be curious to know if some people who have tested positive with the virus developed a sinus headache. I know that headaches are a common symptom of COVID, but mine appears to be more sinus related right now (a Sinupret Forte tablet helped). The sore throat was weird, though -- quite different from sore throats I've had from colds in the past.
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According to the BBC.
It seems that the Moderna vaccine is looking good, the trials are showing an effective 94.5% at stopping the symptoms.
Let's hope it's all now going to come out in the wash, I suppose we'll have to suck it and see.
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The UK have secured 5m doses, not sure how that will do anything, a drop in the ocean in a country of 66.65 million (2019).
But I suppose with the world in this pandemic you can only have what's made available to you.
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Old 16.11.2020, 19:47
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We're in a bit of a strange predicament (or were). My son, 9 yrs old, developed a cold on Friday evening and was sick through the weekend. It started with a sore throat, then a runny nose and then a slight cough, but he is much better today. He never developed a fever. We kept him home from school today, though.

My doctor's office had told me a few weeks ago to only come in for a COVID test if I develop a fever.

So now I have my son's same symptoms -- very bad sore throat yesterday (a bit better today) but now a sinus headache and runny nose (no cough yet). No fever. I called my doctor to see if I should get tested because I didn't know if to send my son to school, since he's better now in terms of symptoms but we have no idea if it's COVID. So even though I don't have a fever, I feel that we need to be tested because I certainly wouldn't want to send him to school if it is. My doctor said to call my son's doctor and have him tested and then if that's positive, then I can get a test. So right now, my son is off to his doctor's office to get a test. They said they might do a rapid test on him. (His papa is taking him, as papa has no symptoms). Fingers crossed.

Anyways... Sorry to ramble. I just feel that it doesn't really make sense to only do a test if an adult has a fever because then you could have parents sending their kids to school with the virus and not knowing it... especially since fever doesn't usually kick in until quite a while after one becomes contagious. Ugh... What a mess.
It's this sort of thing that makes the published numbers a real nonsense.. Who knows how many people are not being tested for whatever reason.. I've known of some, plenty mentioned on here.

Good luck!!
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Old 16.11.2020, 19:49
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Re: Coronavirus

Eastern European Front News: CZ should get under 1000 new daily cases in less time than predicted, before mid December. Prague keeps doing really well. Primary schools are reopening this week, other schools later. People mostly mind the closed schools and closed hairdressers. I just had a meager piece of 4 inches of hair cut off by my kid in our kitchen (not out of solidarity but because I never go to hair salons). Strict measures are kept till at least end of November. Most Czechs don't for now think they'll get vaccinated against Covid when the vaccine comes. Covid wards and parts of hospitals are respectfully and creatively called "Covidarium", across the country. Bohemians - hang in there!
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Re: Coronavirus

Just thought I'd post a little update regarding my son's test earlier this evening...

They ended up doing a rapid test on him (a swab in the mouth, rather than in the nose -- he said it was uncomfortable but didn't hurt at all). They said they'd call us within 15-30 minutes if it was positive, and that was an hour ago. We haven't heard anything from them, so I assume it was negative.

I'm still worried about a false negative, though, as they seem to be quite common. And I feel like I'm still unsure if I should send him to school tomorrow, since I have symptoms (although he no longer has any).

Also, I found it a bit odd that his doctor's office said that it should have actually been me that was getting tested rather than him, even though my family doctor had told me the opposite. So as it is now, because my son tested negative, I cannot get a test at my dr's office unless or until I have a fever.

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According to the BBC.
It seems that the Moderna vaccine is looking good, the trials are showing an effective 94.5% at stopping the symptoms.
Let's hope it's all now going to come out in the wash, I suppose we'll have to suck it and see.
At least the vaccines are finally starting to look more promising now. I wonder if Trump has tried to take credit for the Moderna vaccine yet.
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At least the vaccines are finally starting to look more promising now. I wonder if Trump has tried to take credit for the Moderna vaccine yet.

Just wait until the Russians say their vaccine is now 95% effective too!
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