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18.11.2020, 12:33
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Well, apparently, there was at least one known case of COVID-19 in France last December:
Coronavirus: France's first known case 'was in December' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554 "This means the virus may have arrived in Europe almost a month earlier than previously thought."
According to the article, they know this due to a swab that was taken at the time (last December) later being tested for COVID and testing positive. I think it's therefore pretty safe to assume that there were also more cases of the virus here in Europe back then but that were never confirmed because swabs were never taken and then later tested. | | | | | The history of the whistleblower doctor and the covid19 starts with a large number of pneumonia cases of unknown cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang There was a memo from Dec 30 2019 to test the people for SARS and the results were positive. The doctor was censored by the local police by scaring people about SARS on the first days of Jan 2020.
There are dozens of flu virus out there evolving all the time. Unless there's a large number of pneumonia cases with unknown origin and deaths, how can doctors in France could even imagine there's a new virus out there?
It would be interesting if researchers take a dive in medical records in Europe of December 2019 to see if there were a large number of pneumonia cases. If yes, the public health system failed at detecting the problem. If not, the hunt for covid19 in old swabs with covid19 tests is useless. Tests are like fishing nets, the SARS test gave positive results for covid19 patients. The covid19 can give positive to other virus.
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18.11.2020, 12:34
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Not accurate for 2020, the mistress should be an iPhone or a tablet | The following 2 users would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | 
18.11.2020, 12:59
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Not accurate for 2020, the mistress should be an iPhone or a tablet  | | | | | Yes, I don't even watch TV.
I guess that iPhone and tablet along with the NYTimes are making up those death numbers because they have an "agenda".
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18.11.2020, 13:04
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| | Re: Coronavirus
As we batten down the hatches again for the 2nd wave. Here's what working from home means
when working for British Gas under the new normal this year. New British Gas - work from home, new normal TV advert | 
18.11.2020, 13:08
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Todays numbers are 6114 out of 30 k tests
Positivity rate 20.2%
261 hospitalisations
85 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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18.11.2020, 13:35
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Meanwhile for those venturing through Police checkpoints down in South Africa. Some like it hot !! - Covid themed advert | The following 3 users would like to thank John William for this useful post: | | 
18.11.2020, 13:36
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Not accurate for 2020, the mistress should be an iPhone or a tablet  | | | | | Not accurate but close?
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18.11.2020, 14:12
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Not accurate but close? | | | | |
Jokes needs to be accurate, not close | This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | 
18.11.2020, 15:06
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Jokes needs to be accurate, not close  | | | | | Setting a gold standard for this thread?
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18.11.2020, 15:13
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| | Re: Coronavirus Prague’s Letňany COVID-19 Field Hospital Hasn’t Treated a Single Coronavirus Patient
The temporary field hospital at Prague Exhibition Center in Letňany was meant to care for any overflow of patients suffering from severe COVID-19 symptoms. One month later, not one single patient has been admitted, Česká televize reports.
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Prague’s Letňany COVID-19 Field Hospital Hasn’t Treated a Single Coronavirus Patient
The temporary field hospital at Prague Exhibition Center in Letňany was meant to care for any overflow of patients suffering from severe COVID-19 symptoms. One month later, not one single patient has been admitted, Česká televize reports.
The lease of the space has so far cost 26 million CZK. (1M EUR) | | | | | An expensive back up. I am glad it wasn't needed. Thanks for the news from the Eastern European Front.
I glanced too fast at the EU fussing at Poland and Hungary today, anyone knows why?
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18.11.2020, 15:31
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | 8'270 one week ago
10'073 two weeks ago
Danish newspaper Berlingske reporting that the large RCT trial on the efficacy of face mask carried out in Denmark is to be published today at 3pm!
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18.11.2020, 15:49
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I glanced too fast at the EU fussing at Poland and Hungary today, anyone knows why? | | | | | Paraphrasing and summarising: Poland and Hungary voted against (i.e. blocked) the EU's proposed trillion-euro COVID-19 recovery package because they refused to commit to the rule of law.
Simple solution: kick them out of the EU for violation of the basic democratic principles that underpin the EU.
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18.11.2020, 16:03
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | |
Simple solution: kick them out of the EU for violation of the basic democratic principles that underpin the EU.
| | | | | And yet impossible as there's simply no mechanism to "kick out" a member country.
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18.11.2020, 16:06
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Paraphrasing and summarising: Poland and Hungary voted against (i.e. blocked) the EU's proposed trillion-euro COVID-19 recovery package because they refused to commit to the rule of law.
Simple solution: kick them out of the EU for violation of the basic democratic principles that underpin the EU. | | | | | If they're kicked out the influence on and cooperation with them is greatly reduced. Therefore the goal is to keep them in the club.
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18.11.2020, 16:18
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | And yet impossible as there's simply no mechanism to "kick out" a member country. | | | | | Right, but a member country's rights can be suspended under Article 7 of the Treaty on the European Union.
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18.11.2020, 16:35
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Right, but a member country's rights can be suspended under Article 7 of the Treaty on the European Union. | | | | | No, they can't because it requires absolute majority (excl. the country in question) and as you can imagine Poland will not support limiting Hungary and Hungary will not support limiting Poland.
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18.11.2020, 17:12
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The results of the Danish mask study are out (DANMASK-19).
KLAXON - As expected, the results of the study show that masks have an insignificant effect on protecting the wearer from Covid.
The study did not examine the effect of masks as source control, however there is no RCT method that ethically, nor practically, could investigate this for mass use by populations.
Skim reading through, one wonders what the Lancet was so concerned about https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 | This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
18.11.2020, 17:13
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | The results of the Danish mask study are out (DANMASK-19).
KLAXON - As expected, the results of the study show that masks have an insignificant effect on protecting the wearer from Covid.
| | | | | You wear one to protect others.
From your posts I'm beginning to understand why you find this a difficult concept to comprehend.
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