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Re: Coronavirus

Danish study finds no clear evidence face masks protect wearer from Covid-19 infection

Who wants to bet that soon we will realize the way how most people use the mandatory masks increases the infection rate?
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Old 19.11.2020, 14:41
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Danish study finds no clear evidence face masks protect wearer from Covid-19 infection

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I was never under any assumption that anything other than a new, correctly applied N95 mask would provide protection. Its the same paradigm as Asia, you wear a face covering to protect others which may seem an alien concept in our 'me me me' culture.
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Old 19.11.2020, 14:43
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Danish study finds no clear evidence face masks protect wearer from Covid-19 infection

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Reminds me of an earlier suggestion I had:

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I suggest an experiment: We sit you (and V) in a room. We then place a Covid positive person (in early stage) in the same room. We make you sit there for one hour. The Covid positive person is encouraged to tell stories. Both you and V can choose to wear a mask. If you do, the infected immediately also wears a mask.

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Old 19.11.2020, 14:50
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I did a further Roche antibody test today, 4 1/2 months after my last test. I am still positive. Thats 10 months after being ill!
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Old 19.11.2020, 14:53
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However, masks help sick people prevent the spread of infection. https://reason.com/2020/11/18/masks-...-danish-study/
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Old 19.11.2020, 14:57
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Oh, wie Schade

via 20min https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...e-276065545009
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Old 19.11.2020, 18:25
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Danish study finds no clear evidence face masks protect wearer from Covid-19 infection

Who wants to bet that soon we will realize the way how most people use the mandatory masks increases the infection rate?
So the Danish study that people were moaning about finally got published. It turns out to be another "nothing burger"!

I quote from the actual study "The most important limitation is that the findings are inconclusive".

Among the peer comments
  • The mask wearers only wore the masks for 4.5 hours per day, how did the study exclude people who caught the virus during the other 19.5 hours.
  • This lateral flow antibody test has to be performed at least 15 days after symptom onset. It takes an average of 5-6 days to develop symptoms following exposure, so this creates at least a 3-week lag.
    Given the study only lasted 1 month in each cohort, it only detected people who were infected in the first week or in the days before the study started. There was no testing after the month-end.
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I did a further Roche antibody test today, 4 1/2 months after my last test. I am still positive. Thats 10 months after being ill!
every 3 months, remember?
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Old 19.11.2020, 18:48
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Prague’s Letňany COVID-19 Field Hospital Hasn’t Treated a Single Coronavirus Patient

The temporary field hospital at Prague Exhibition Center in Letňany was meant to care for any overflow of patients suffering from severe COVID-19 symptoms. One month later, not one single patient has been admitted, Česká televize reports.

The lease of the space has so far cost 26 million CZK. (1M EUR)
They just decided to keep the top ICU equiped Letňany field hospital till February next year. I think they know what they are doing.

Otherwise, next Monday - all Czech schools reopen. Which for us means we gotta pick up the homeschooling again here. I am not sure how Xmas looks so far.
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Old 19.11.2020, 19:11
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Re: Coronavirus

Cost of Lockdowns: A Preliminary Report

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During late June 2020, 40% of US adults reported to be struggling with mental health or substance abuse.

Of adults surveyed, 10.7% had thoughts of suicide compared to 4.3% in 2018.

Reported symptoms of anxiety were three times higher than they were in Q2 2019 and reported symptoms of depression were four times higher than they were in Q2 2019.

Of individuals aged 18-24, 25.5% considered suicide.

In New York alone, Google searches increased for phrases and words: anxiety, panic attack, and insomnia.

Between April and October, the portion of emergency visits related to mental health for children (5-11) increased by 24% and 31% for 12-17 year olds compared to 2019.

In late June, 13% of survey respondents said they had started or increased substance use to cope with the pandemic.

More than 40 states have reported increases in opioid-related mortality.

From January 2020 to March 2020, 19,416 people died from drug overdoses, which is 3,000 more than in 2019 of the same quarter.

In March alone, food banks gave out 20 percent more food than in an average month.

This year, between 71 and 100 million people will fall into extreme poverty.

About 86 million children may fall into poverty.

Rate of food insecurity from 2018 to mid-2020 has more than doubled (14% to 32%) for households with children.

Number of undernourished individuals may increase from 690 to 822 million people.

Q2 2020 GDP decreased at an annual rate of 32.9%, and Q1 2020 GDP decreased at an annual rate of 5%.


Unemployment rate increased to 14.7% in April 2020. This is the highest rate of increase (10.3%) and largest month over month increase in history of available data (since 1948).

In March, 39% of people living with a household income of $40,000 and below reported a job loss.

The unemployment rate between February and April increased by 12% for women and 10% for men

Mothers of children aged 12 and younger lost 2.2 million jobs between February and August (12% drop), while fathers of small children lost 870,000 jobs (4% drop).

One out of four women who were surveyed reported their job loss was due to lack of childcare, twice the rate of men surveyed.

About 24 million children may drop out of school next year as a result of the lockdown’s economic impact.

A decrease in life expectancy by 5.53 million years of life is found to occur for US children due to the closing of US primary schools.

30,806 internships were lost (a decrease of 52%) between March 9 and April 13.

Between March 9 and April 13 travel & tourism internships fell 92%; IT dropped 76%, architecture & engineering 65% and telecommunications 65%. Accounting & legal internships fell the least, dropping 22%.


At the 10-week mark of lockdown, 2.1 million people in the UK were waiting for breast, cervical, or bowel cancer screening.

Diagnosis for 6 cancers (breast, colorectal, lung, pancreatic, gastric, and esophageal) has declined 46.4% compared to 2018.

Pancreatic cancer diagnosis has dropped 24.7% compared to 2018.

Breast cancer diagnosis has dropped 51.8% compared to 2018.

“The Netherlands Cancer Registry has seen as much as a 40% decline in weekly cancer incidence.”

Pre-Covid, Medical University of South Carolina dropped from 20 stroke-related calls daily (or 550 per month) to about nine in mid-April.

UK (suspected) cancer referrals have decreased 75% since Covid-19 restrictions were implemented.

38% decrease in STEMI treatments in 9 major hospitals across the US.

In Italy, cardiological diagnostic procedures decreased 56%, PCI 48%, structural interventions 81% and PCI in STEMI 40%.

Cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in the US; Premature cardiovascular disease and stroke mortality costs $137.5 billion in lost future productivity.

Admissions for chemotherapy decreased 45-66% while urgent referrals for early cancer diagnosis decreased 70-89%.

During April weekly emergency department (ED) visits declined 42% from the previous year average of 2.1 million to 1.2 million.

In 2018 patients visiting the ER for opioid overdoses are 100 times more likely to die by drug overdose in the year after being discharged. They are 18 times more likely to die by suicide relative to the general population.

Hospital financial losses will be as high as $323.1 billion for the entire year.

During the first six months of 2020 murder and nonnegligent manslaughter offenses increased 14.8%, and aggravated assault offenses were up 4.6%.

Property crime offenses declined 7.8%; except for motor vehicle thefts, which increased 6.2%.

Arson increased 19.2% in the first six months of 2020 compared to the same time the previous year; and increased 52.1% in cities with populations of 1,000,000 or more.

Between June and August 2020 homicides increased 53% and aggravated assaults increased 14% compared to the same period in 2019.

A UK domestic abuse charity (Refuge) reported a 25% increase in calls made to helpline since the start of lockdowns.


Restaurants have spent an additional $7,400 on PPE and enhanced safety protocols (training, cleaning, Plexiglas, etc.) which will take 66% of businesses 6 months to recoup.

The restaurant industry is set to lose $240 billion in revenue and 8 million employees in 2020.

In May, nearly 75% of independent restaurants reported new debts greater than $50,000; 12% reported additional debt at $500,000 and above.

1 in 3 restaurants are expected to close.

86% of restaurants reduced staff due to Covid-19; 40% of restaurants expect to be out of business by March 2021.
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Old 19.11.2020, 19:20
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Not as much as lockdown hysteria
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Old 19.11.2020, 19:34
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Old 19.11.2020, 19:42
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SVP man and Nationalrat Andreas Glarner has Corona. '
https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish/st...92634621145092

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Having read in more detail now, there are a few things that jump out. The masks that were used were high quality masks, not cloth ones and instructions were given on how to wear them. Also, covid symptoms did not differ between those who wore masks and those that didn’t, which doesn't really support the theory that make the disease is made milder due to masks by reducing the viral load.

After these findings, people should be screaming for more research to be done on this topic, and more RCTs. This is a good start that needs to be built upon. Unfortunately it seems all too many people are simply out to discredit the research. I've come to the conclusion that many people simply like wearing masks and the comfort/conditioning that they provide. Either that or it's the classic cognitive dissonance reaction.

That the paper wasn't published by other leading medical journals speaks volumes and is something that we should really be concerned about. This interview given by the authors before the publication sheds a little more light on the matter.

https://swprs.org/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/
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I've come to the conclusion that many people simply like wearing masks and the comfort/conditioning that they provide.
That's gotta be it! LMAO
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That the paper wasn't published by other leading medical journals speaks volumes and is something that we should really be concerned about. This interview given by the authors before the publication sheds a little more light on the matter.

https://swprs.org/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/
The suppressed mask study. Give me a f---ing break.
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Old 19.11.2020, 21:27
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Is it true that if you use public toilet, the virus can jump from the water on to one of your logs and then somersault its way into your A-hole, thus infecting you? LMAO
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I did a further Roche antibody test today, 4 1/2 months after my last test. I am still positive. Thats 10 months after being ill!
Were you very sick last winter? It seems I remember reading before that the more sick you are with COVID, the more antibodies you develop. I've also read that at least one study has shown antibodies to normally last at least 3 months but that studies regarding longer-term antibodies have not yet been done.
New Study Shows Coronavirus Antibodies Last at Least Three Months After Infection
https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/10...ter-infection/

Maybe you could have been exposed to the virus again, after the original antibodies had worn off? And this second time, with the virus, you were asymptomatic?

Or maybe you now have a super hero immune system.
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Life expectancy in India is 69 v 84, Swiss death rate of 69 year olds & below is way lower in CH
I noticed that Switzerland has surprisingly low number of deaths in the category under 50 years, even under 60. I constantly read about 30-40 years old dying of covid in some exUSSR countries (not many of them, of course, but quite some), especially during the "second wave", but CH has only 16 Covid victims younger than 50 years (I don't consider the baby, who was brought to CH in serious condition) out of about 3500, and most of them died still in spring. I wonder what does Switzerland do differently as there are basically no universal drugs against Covid, only some drugs that help some of the patients to avoid some complications. Maybe people are overall healthier here, but again, 25% of population are foreigners. To me it's a mistery.
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