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Well at R = 1.1 (more or less), you don't need to close everything, just a little bit more than you have closed at the minute. Gyms with people panting and releasing huge volumes of air are probably worse than hairdressers.

I imagine people will still go to restaurants just over the "state line" - e.g. in Rheinfelden (the restaurant carparks in Frick are already full of German cars). But this is probably fine as it will considerably reduce numbers eating out nonetheless.
I was speaking to a German couple last week who visited Switzerland to go for lunch to our local restaurant.
Coincidentally this restaurant is now closed for two weeks quarantine.
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This I get, it's just that it's a much more likely infection scenario when a hair-stylist is 30mm next to a customer, rather than in a gym where everyone is more or less at least a meter away and usually more. Anyways, it's decided, so not much point in debating here
Which you did, so I'll reply.

Is your mullet haircut (which I can only presume you have) so long and unruly that to wrestle with your cascading golden tresses, the hair-stylist works herself into a sweat, with perspiration flying all in directions, over other people as she works her magic on your locks.

Or is perspiration and orally ejected fluids more likely to land on someone else from someone working out hard in a gym?
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Old 20.11.2020, 18:16
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Is your mullet haircut (which I can only presume you have) so long and unruly that to wrestle with your cascading golden tresses, the hair-stylist works herself into a sweat, with perspiration flying all in directions, over other people as she works her magic on your locks.
Purely as a thinking point...
Remember back in March when people began to be wary of air flow hand dryers? How is a hairdryer different?
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Anyway, if you work in this industry you have a problem now. But i guess these people dont count.
They very much do count and they will be taken care of... unlike now in my canton where the restaurants are still open but mainly empty. (However the pubs are still quite full.)
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Billions wasted on a strategy that protects practically nobody. Surely better to isolate the elderly and medically at risk.
How would you approach that? Should the government put locks on our doors while you all carry on?
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Old 20.11.2020, 18:28
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Terrible news for BS. I guess covid hysteria is taking over here. The lockdowners have won.
Well what they didn't show on the news about the "sharp rise" of corona cases in BS is actually between 43 to 150 cases a day! Total cases per day in the last 10 days is like average 100 cases per day! Total for whole BS!

BS has like 200k population.

Corona hysteria at its best
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Old 20.11.2020, 18:31
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How would you approach that? Should the government put locks on our doors while you all carry on?
No, the venerable should have a choice to stay at home, never let anyone into the house or take the risk of getting infected & live a normal life. Looks like they will have the choice to get vaccinated too.
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Old 20.11.2020, 18:37
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I am 3x at risk. I rarely go out, maybe one or twice a week to the shops and the pharmacy. I am not going to let you infect me.
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Old 20.11.2020, 18:41
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UK's planned vaccine schedule:

Care home residents and staff, healthcare workers - from beginning of December
Ages 80 plus - from mid-December
Everyone aged 70-80 - from late December
Everyone aged 65-70 - from early January
All high and moderate risk under 65s - from early January
Everyone aged 50-65 - from mid January
Everyone aged 18-50 - from late January, but with the bulk of this group vaccinated during March

Hopefully Switzerland will be as quick - I was surprised that we could be back to normal as quick as March (tbh if everyone 50+ or otherwise at risk is done in January perhaps even February)

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Well what they didn't show on the news about the "sharp rise" of corona cases in BS is actually between 43 to 150 cases a day! Total cases per day in the last 10 days is like average 100 cases per day! Total for whole BS!

BS has like 200k population.

Corona hysteria at its best
Seems to be an over reaction.
Most restaurants are scratching by with hardly any clientele as it is, I can't see them being the source of many infections. I did not see bars/pubs in the list, maybe I'm reading it wrong?
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Old 20.11.2020, 19:06
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Seems to be an over reaction.
Most restaurants are scratching by with hardly any clientele as it is, I can't see them being the source of many infections. I did not see bars/pubs in the list, maybe I'm reading it wrong?
A lot of things regarding corona response has been a gross overreaction unfortunately. In USA there was a case (don't remember which state) where the covid task force was deliberately hiding data showing that insignificant number of new cases of covid were happening in restaurants and bars, they decided not to publish it so they can close them
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Old 20.11.2020, 19:06
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It falls short of a lockdown as we can still go to work, still can do shopping. I find it completely odd though that a gym is closed, but a hair-saloon - not.
Is it because at gyms people breathe heavily but the businesses don't risk that much cash-wise and can close for a bit, the clients have paid in already while hairdressers are paid each time and are going bankrupt?
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No, the venerable should have a choice to stay at home, never let anyone into the house or take the risk of getting infected & live a normal life. Looks like they will have the choice to get vaccinated too.
It was mentioned last night on national TV that to make the vaccine obligatory by autorities means to become liable for secondary effects of the vaccine.

Interesting point.
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A lot of things regarding corona response has been a gross overreaction unfortunately. In USA there was a case (don't remember which state) where the covid task force was deliberately hiding data showing that insignificant number of new cases of covid were happening in restaurants and bars, they decided not to publish it so they can close them
Maybe that they had found an insignificant number because they hadn't looked hard enough? Where else are people getting infected?
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Old 20.11.2020, 19:26
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The reason they gave back in March was that hairdressers operate an appointment system, it's static and it's largely 1 to 1 for the duration, so track and trace is far easier. Gyms have shared facilities and shared equipment and you only need one person to be asymptomatic and not properly clean down a piece of equipment before moving onto the next.
Yeah, that makes sense. One more brownie point to the Swiss authorities, I didn't think of this aspect.

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Is your mullet haircut (which I can only presume you have) so long and unruly that to wrestle with your cascading golden tresses, the hair-stylist works herself into a sweat, with perspiration flying all in directions, over other people as she works her magic on your locks.

Or is perspiration and orally ejected fluids more likely to land on someone else from someone working out hard in a gym?
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Old 20.11.2020, 19:52
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UK's planned vaccine schedule:

Care home residents and staff, healthcare workers - from beginning of December
Ages 80 plus - from mid-December
Everyone aged 70-80 - from late December
Everyone aged 65-70 - from early January
All high and moderate risk under 65s - from early January
Everyone aged 50-65 - from mid January
Everyone aged 18-50 - from late January, but with the bulk of this group vaccinated during March

Hopefully Switzerland will be as quick - I was surprised that we could be back to normal as quick as March (tbh if everyone 50+ or otherwise at risk is done in January perhaps even February)
I hope so too.

My brother in law and his wife, both medics, are both at home with Covid. I know a further 3 people in Switzerland who are in bed with it. There was my cousin’s husband in the UK who at 80, suffered for 5½ month and survived. Today I learned that a 70-year old I have known for 40 died of Covid last Friday.

My fear is, like the soldier shot minutes before the armistice, people see the vaccine as an end of hostilities before actually being injected...
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Old 20.11.2020, 19:59
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Purely as a thinking point...
Remember back in March when people began to be wary of air flow hand dryers? How is a hairdryer different?
I think that was more related to the Dyson ait blade type dryers where there is always the risk of water remaining in the bottom of the machine and blowing back up at people.
That’s not really an issue with hairdryers.
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Old 20.11.2020, 20:49
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Where else are people getting infected?
That's the big question.
We keep being told that's there's no evidence that post can carry the virus, yet I was talking to a friend in the UK last weekend whose brother is a postman and had the virus last month. He says lots of his colleagues have also had the virus and many believe it's through contact with people's gates and front doors, not the post itself. Supermarkets also urge people to not handle items unless they intend to buy them.

When you look at how strict the first Italian lockdown was, people only went out to shop for food. It was their only exposure.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:02
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UK's planned vaccine schedule:

Care home residents and staff, healthcare workers - from beginning of December
Ages 80 plus - from mid-December
Everyone aged 70-80 - from late December
Everyone aged 65-70 - from early January
All high and moderate risk under 65s - from early January
Everyone aged 50-65 - from mid January
Everyone aged 18-50 - from late January, but with the bulk of this group vaccinated during March

Hopefully Switzerland will be as quick - I was surprised that we could be back to normal as quick as March (tbh if everyone 50+ or otherwise at risk is done in January perhaps even February)
Wow.

So if 50% of the 18+ population (25 million) would choose to get vaccinated, that is 250k shots delivered per day in that period. And that is only one shot, not two (not sure what the latest there is).
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:04
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That's the big question.
We keep being told that's there's no evidence that post can carry the virus, yet I was talking to a friend in the UK last weekend whose brother is a postman and had the virus last month. He says lots of his colleagues have also had the virus and many believe it's through contact with people's gates and front doors, not the post itself. Supermarkets also urge people to not handle items unless they intend to buy them.

When you look at how strict the first Italian lockdown was, people only went out to shop for food. It was their only exposure.
Latest data from the UK has supermarkets as the most common places visited before a positive test. Also a place where people have to wear masks in order to enter.
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