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Old 20.11.2020, 21:10
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I think that was more related to the Dyson ait blade type dryers where there is always the risk of water remaining in the bottom of the machine and blowing back up at people.
That’s not really an issue with hairdryers.
I'd add that with hairdryers, the person using it has just washed his or her hands thoroughly when washing the hair of the client so there are fewer germs floating about compared to air blade dryers.

Have you (in general, not specifically Belgianmum) ever observed people "washing" their hands in the bathroom? If they wash at all, most people seem to do a splash of water and then hit the air dryer, blowing their germs everywhere. Pre-covid, I got a lot of nasty looks for hogging the sink while I washed with soap and took my time.

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Latest data from the UK has supermarkets as the most common places visited before a positive test. Also a place where people have to wear masks in order to enter.
It's not the mask requirement giving you Covid in the supermarket. It's all the stuff you have to touch including trolley or hand basket handles, and then touching your face - which to be honest people did before mask mandates.

I've tried not to touch anything I don't buy, but it's nearly impossible because I want to inspect the product, check expiration date, etc.

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Old 20.11.2020, 21:21
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It's not the mask requirement giving you Covid in the supermarket. It's all the stuff you have to touch including trolley or hand basket handles, and then touching your face - which to be honest people did before mask mandates.

I've tried not to touch anything I don't buy, but it's nearly impossible because I want to inspect the product, check expiration date, etc.
Just sayin

Before lockdown supermarkets were way down the list as a source of transmission in the UK.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:29
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and then touching your face
what happens when you touching your face?
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:31
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Latest data from the UK has supermarkets as the most common places visited before a positive test. Also a place where people have to wear masks in order to enter.
I don't believe any of the "data" on where people get infected. How would that be possible unless you can trace back to one cluster? Fact is that most infections cannot be traced to a specific place. Could be anywhere.

But of course, I get your subtle "mask don't work" point.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:33
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A lot of things regarding corona response has been a gross overreaction unfortunately. In USA there was a case (don't remember which state) where the covid task force was deliberately hiding data showing that insignificant number of new cases of covid were happening in restaurants and bars, they decided not to publish it so they can close them
Come on admit it, you have been reading those #Fakenews alt-right blogs again
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:34
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Before lockdown supermarkets were way down the list as a source of transmission in the UK.
Do you have a link to that data?
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:35
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what happens when you touching your face?
People touch their faces all the time without noticing. If you touch a surface that has Covid (or any other virus or bacteria) and then touch your face, you can become infected. It's not a guarantee, but it is more likely than if you don't touch your face.

An older BBC article from when Covid was first spreading:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...hing-your-face

And a simple observational study of medical students:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25637115/

And an anecdotal black light experiment in a news room:
https://www.wwnytv.com/2020/03/20/bl...uch-your-face/
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If you touch a surface that has Covid (or any other virus or bacteria) and then touch your face, you can become infected.
nope. your face doesnt have ACE2 receptors. but eyes has. so its important to do not touch eyes
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:47
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nope. your face doesnt have ACE2 receptors. but eyes has. so its important to do not touch eyes
The epithelium lining the nose and mouth also has them and those are the places people are most likely to to touch.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:48
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nope. your face doesnt have ACE2 receptors. but eyes has. so its important to do not touch eyes
No eyes rubbing, nose picking and sticking fingers in ears (yours or others'). Mouths aren't good places to polute either, but that's obvious.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:49
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nope. your face doesnt have ACE2 receptors. but eyes has. so its important to do not touch eyes
I don't know about you, but my eyes are located on my face.
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Old 20.11.2020, 21:56
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My ears are just near it.

And still one forgets million times, especially when putting the sliding glasses up or a strain of unrully hair behind the ears.

I am not sure how dangerous WCs are (a sink and soaps readily available, at least), I am more worried about shared PCs, I think. I did read somewhere that the amount of virus decreases on surfaces faster than previously thought.
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Old 20.11.2020, 22:09
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...And still one forgets million times, especially when putting the sliding glasses up or a strain of unrully hair behind the ears.
This is me. Even though I had lasik and don't need glasses any more, any time my eyes don't focus instantly I automatically reach to push up my glasses.
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Latest data from the UK has supermarkets as the most common places visited before a positive test. Also a place where people have to wear masks in order to enter.
It's probably also the most common place people who don't contract the virus go. The key is looking at what the differences are between those who do and don't contract the virus.

I bet it's visiting other people's houses, gyms, bars and restaurants. If it feels dangerous, it probably is.
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Old 20.11.2020, 23:01
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I don't believe any of the "data" on where people get infected. How would that be possible unless you can trace back to one cluster? Fact is that most infections cannot be traced to a specific place. Could be anywhere.

But of course, I get your subtle "mask don't work" point.
It is theoretically possible to trace back due to subtle variations in the DNA but that is probably too expensive and too time-consuming to do on a regular basis.
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Old 20.11.2020, 23:49
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It's probably also the most common place people who don't contract the virus go. The key is looking at what the differences are between those who do and don't contract the virus.

I bet it's visiting other people's houses, gyms, bars and restaurants. If it feels dangerous, it probably is.
Yes.
And the dangers in the world are increased, of course, by risky behaviours of those who don't feel that it's dangerous.
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How would you approach that? Should the government put locks on our doors while you all carry on?
Hhmmm .. well no.. but full food / shopping delivery service. Health monitoring devices. 24 hour on call teams. Family members take full PPE when visiting and obviously quarantine for anyone who is infected.

Locking down millions of people does nothing to save lives.

Also the actual death counts are hidden / never mentioned in news reports as they would enrage people compared to lockdown response.

2018
- 5x as many fatalities in road traffic accidents than Covid
- 3x as many fatalities in mountain accidents (hiking skiing etc) than Covid
- 166x more for smoking
- 30x more for alcohol

No logic to the current approach.
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Old 21.11.2020, 01:42
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Have you (in general, not specifically Belgianmum) ever observed people "washing" their hands in the bathroom? If they wash at all, most people seem to do a splash of water and then hit the air dryer, blowing their germs everywhere. Pre-covid, I got a lot of nasty looks for hogging the sink while I washed with soap and took my time.
Same. A lasting side effect of working in food production.

There are certain supermarket food halls in Zurich that I no longer shop in because they're underground. I'm not 100% sure if their ventilation systems could be a factor, but when you have so many alternative options, why take a risk. We don't have a car so I use online shopping for the heavy stuff from supermarkets anyway. When case numbers are low, I do the rest of the shopping myself. When case numbers are high, I just add it to the regular online order. I'm tough as old boots and very rarely ill, but I have to prioritise my OH being immunosuppressed, same as millions of other people who've adapted their behaviour purely to protect their loved ones. It's really no biggie and short lived in the great scheme of things.
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Old 21.11.2020, 09:08
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...Locking down millions of people does nothing to save lives.

Also the actual death counts are hidden / never mentioned in news reports as they would enrage people compared to lockdown response.

2018
- 5x as many fatalities in road traffic accidents than Covid
- 3x as many fatalities in mountain accidents (hiking skiing etc) than Covid
- 166x more for smoking
- 30x more for alcohol

No logic to the current approach.
Well to check the simplist one for me to find, according to SAC 135 people lost their lives in mountain accidents in Switzerland in 2018. So far, in a statistic that is extremely easy to find right at the top of the BAG covid data page, 1,046 people have died from covid, a figure that is currently increasing by over 80 per day. That's already 8 times more from covid. Care to justify your figure?

Deaths PREVENTED by lockdown are of course not included, can you not see that is the point of a lockdown?

The 2 lockdowns I've looked at recently - Wales and Valais - have been very successful in reducing infections. Reduce infections and you reduce deaths. Simples.
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Well to check the simplist one for me to find, according to SAC 135 people lost their lives in mountain accidents in Switzerland in 2018. So far, in a statistic that is extremely easy to find right at the top of the BAG covid data page, 1,046 people have died from covid, a figure that is currently increasing by over 80 per day. That's already 8 times more from covid. Care to justify your figure?

Deaths PREVENTED by lockdown are of course not included, can you not see that is the point of a lockdown?

The 2 lockdowns I've looked at recently - Wales and Valais - have been very successful in reducing infections. Reduce infections and you reduce deaths. Simples.
223 road deaths in 2019.
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