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Old 22.11.2020, 09:54
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This explains it well, it's nothing like as reliable as you are claiming.

https://www.icd10monitor.com/false-p...s-for-covid-19
The link is correct, yes. But the Swiss numbers disprove their assumption about the proportion of false positives - the July results show this cannot be above 0.2% - and given there were definitely some correct positives included in those results must be even lower. I stand by my assumption of 0.05% here - in that week with 21 positives that would mean about 6 incorrect - yes, one third of the total but a very small absolute number.

So again, the number of false positives in the overall numbers is tiny and certainly outweighed by the number of false negatives.
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Old 22.11.2020, 15:06
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Re: Coronavirus

Do you remember when China was criticized by western media for its corona measures that break human rights? This was in January. Today most of the western world is breaching the same human rights with the lockdowns just like China but very few seem to be bothered now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-human-rights
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Old 22.11.2020, 15:38
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Do you remember when China was criticized by western media for its corona measures that break human rights? This was in January. Today most of the western world is breaching the same human rights with the lockdowns just like China but very few seem to be bothered now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-human-rights
Breaching the same human rights??? Did you even actually read the article in your own link?

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"Chinese police punished frontline doctors for “spreading rumours” for trying to warn the public in late December. Police are still engaged in a campaign to detain Chinese netizens for spreading so-called “rumours”. Rumours included reports of potential cases, including people turned away from hospitals or dying without ever being tested and quickly cremated, criticism of the government, the distribution of masks, or the criticism of the discrimination of people from Wuhan or others who may be infected. Activists have been threatened with jail if they share foreign news articles or post on social media about the coronavirus outbreak."


So where exactly in the West has this ^^^ occurred?
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Old 22.11.2020, 16:00
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Do you remember when China was criticized by western media for its corona measures that break human rights? This was in January. Today most of the western world is breaching the same human rights with the lockdowns just like China but very few seem to be bothered now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-human-rights
Laughable. Maybe you should move to China and see how your bitching about government measures goes there.

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Old 22.11.2020, 17:29
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Re: Coronavirus

What is the current situation to go shopping over the German border, eg Waldshut? I see that the latest list from the German authorities, teo days ago, still lists Switzerland as a risk zone. I guess we can not cross the border for shopping yet, right?
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Old 22.11.2020, 17:30
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What is the current situation to go shopping over the German border, eg Waldshut? I see that the latest list from the German authorities, teo days ago, still lists Switzerland as a risk zone. I guess we can not cross the border for shopping yet, right?
Have you read any news lately?? Yes, Germany still lists Switzerland as risk zone, yes, you can still go shopping if you come from certain Kantons and stay less than 24 hrs
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Old 22.11.2020, 17:41
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Have you read any news lately?? Yes, Germany still lists Switzerland as risk zone, yes, you can still go shopping if you come from certain Kantons and stay less than 24 hrs
Is Zurich one of the allowed Kantons?
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Old 22.11.2020, 18:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Got to admit, I've felt a bit down all weekend after Friday's announcement that Baselstadt will go back into partial lockdown for 3 weeks from tomorrow. However, having been in the city centre on Saturday afternoon last weekend I can understand why they took the decision.

Last Saturday afternoon was abysmal, from Clarastrasse up to Freistrasse everywhere was absolutely packed and it was apparent French visitors to the city weren't bothering about distancing or masks (although it's been reported German visitors were just as bad). Mittelbrucke was practically shoulder to shoulder in both directions. We went to the food hall in Globus, when we came out onto Marktplatz and looked up to Freistrasse we decided we'd had enough and we jumped on a bus to come back home.

Apparently it was worse in Steinevorstadt and Barfusserplatz later in the evening, there's been complaints that whilst a lot of police were around they weren't bothering to request people wear masks yet there was a bottleneck in the middle of Steinevorstadt near the cinemas. Now I'm the first one to admit I've always been a bit sceptical on whether masks work, but I do think the decent and respectful thing is to adhere to the rules and wear one in very busy outdoor areas.
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However, having been in the city centre on Saturday afternoon last weekend I can understand why they took the decision.
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We went to the food hall in Globus, when we came out onto Marktplatz and looked up to Freistrasse we decided we'd had enough and we jumped on a bus to come back home.
Without wishing to be branded an antagonist, surely your behaviour was also adding to the problem you are complaining about? A non-essential trip into town.
I was also in Basel on Saturday and saw the police enforcing the mask rule in Steinenvorstadt.


I expect ski season will be the same, "I went skiing today, there were so many people, no wonder the virus is spreading"
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Old 22.11.2020, 19:51
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Got to admit, I've felt a bit down all weekend after Friday's announcement that Baselstadt will go back into partial lockdown for 3 weeks from tomorrow. However, having been in the city centre on Saturday afternoon last weekend I can understand why they took the decision.

Last Saturday afternoon was abysmal, from Clarastrasse up to Freistrasse everywhere was absolutely packed and it was apparent French visitors to the city weren't bothering about distancing or masks (although it's been reported German visitors were just as bad). Mittelbrucke was practically shoulder to shoulder in both directions. We went to the food hall in Globus, when we came out onto Marktplatz and looked up to Freistrasse we decided we'd had enough and we jumped on a bus to come back home.

Apparently it was worse in Steinevorstadt and Barfusserplatz later in the evening, there's been complaints that whilst a lot of police were around they weren't bothering to request people wear masks yet there was a bottleneck in the middle of Steinevorstadt near the cinemas. Now I'm the first one to admit I've always been a bit sceptical on whether masks work, but I do think the decent and respectful thing is to adhere to the rules and wear one in very busy outdoor areas.
So you went to the city center and there were too many people? You say people shouldn't go out yet you were out?

I went to Erlach BE last night for dinner and everything was packed! Half of Lausanne and Neuchatel were there for dinner and drinks. It is refreshing to see people wanting to live normally and not cave in the scaremongering that you can find in the news
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Old 22.11.2020, 20:00
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What makes you think it was a non essential trip? FYI I live in a very quiet district that doesn't have a lot of shopping facilities and there are certain things I need / use that I can only get in either Kleinbasel or the city centre. I can walk to Birsfelden in BL but again it's limited. All the way through this entire situation I haven't risked anything like going cross border. We had 3 weeks holiday in September, the only thing we did was a day trip to the Rhine Falls at Schaffhausen.

OH is classed as a key worker, hence we have tried to be careful since the beginning of this situation.

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So you went to the city center and there were too many people? You say people shouldn't go out yet you were out?

I went to Erlach BE last night for dinner and everything was packed! Half of Lausanne and Neuchatel were there for dinner and drinks. It is refreshing to see people wanting to live normally and not cave in the scaremongering that you can find in the news

I have no fear of cities, I lived and worked in London for 20 years. However these are very different times we're dealing with.

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Old 22.11.2020, 20:06
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I went to Erlach BE last night for dinner and everything was packed! Half of Lausanne and Neuchatel were there for dinner and drinks. It is refreshing to see people wanting to live normally and not cave in the scaremongering that you can find in the news
Erlach is a pretty long way to go for dinner and drinks if one lives in Lausanne. I’d rather get a takeaway and stay home personally.
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They took their time, but at LAST some of the MSM are coming around to see the sceptics point of view. This very good breakdown of the Daily Mail shows how stats in the UK have been manipulated to paint a worse picture than how the situation actually is.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ar-hearts.html
The Department of Health and Social Care attempted to do the Facebook thing and took to Twitter to try and label this analysis as "misleading". The only people who have been misleading is them! 4000 deaths per day, 100,000 case per day. Shameful! At least the Tweet has been deleted now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-analysis.html
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What makes you think it was a non essential trip?
Globus foodhall.
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Do you remember when China was criticized by western media for its corona measures that break human rights? This was in January. Today most of the western world is breaching the same human rights with the lockdowns just like China but very few seem to be bothered now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-human-rights
You wrote nonsense...do you really want to compare the watered-down lockdowns in Europe (or the non-existent one in the German-speaking Switzerland) to China?

Go to live in China or North Korea, then you'll see what violations of human rights really are.

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Old 23.11.2020, 09:14
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Re: Coronavirus

A study carried out in France has found that there was ZERO relationship between lockdowns, the stringency of lockdowns and the mortality rate due to Covid.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...20.604339/full
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AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine results are in.
Up to 90% effective after 2 doses (50% after1).
UK had previously pre-ordered 100 million doses, so that's good news.
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Re: Coronavirus

Did Justin Marks parrallel universe scfi thriller Counterpart screened on Starz network from 2017 until
February 2019, predict the Covid19 Pandemic in 'our world' from a parrallel universe from the former
divided city of Berlin, that started a new Cold War between the parrallel universes ?

Counterpart - Your World had no part in the Pandemic
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A study carried out in France has found that there was ZERO relationship between lockdowns, the stringency of lockdowns and the mortality rate due to Covid.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...20.604339/full
According to most of the study criteria, Germany should perform worse than Switzerland. They're fatter and massively more inactive than the Swiss and otherwise have similar demographics (looking at the factors analysed in the study). Germany had more and much stricter lockdowns and have a death rate nearly 2/3 less than Switzerland. It's similar if you look at Austria.

It also doesn't explain the huge differences between Sweden and its neighbours

That the study data ending on 31 August might be a factor there - as of that point Switzerland wasn't so massively different to Germany. But since then Germany are showing the benefit of early and sufficiently strict measures.

Possibly the study gives a logic for differences between continents (why Africa has relatively good figures for example). But I see nothing that begins to explain such relatively local differences.

I can't see if the study is peer reviewed - possibly the absence of any statement might indicate it isn't but impossible to be certain.
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Old 23.11.2020, 10:26
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Re: Coronavirus

Germany, UK and US all planning to start vaccinations in December, Spain early January. Very good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ly-as-december
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