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Germany, UK and US all planning to start vaccinations in December, Spain early January. Very good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ly-as-december
Indeed, assuming there are no adverse issues with these new breed of vaccines. Any real info on how long the immunity will last?
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Old 23.11.2020, 10:34
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A study carried out in France has found that there was ZERO relationship between lockdowns, the stringency of lockdowns and the mortality rate due to Covid.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...20.604339/full
Ever read the articles you link? It says basically that the explanation they provide is only supported if the pandemic trend doesn't change. Something no one can tell.

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Another limitation is that the pandemic is not over, with American countries displaying a kinetics partially diverging from the European ones. While a clear mortality peak was observed in Europe with a quick decrease after it, it is not the case in several American countries: Mexico, Peru, and Brazil show a lasting plateau for the time being and the USA experienced a spring peak in the eastern states and a summer peak in southern ones. If finally, Covid-linked mortality would be higher in countries of Latin America than in richer countries, it would be necessary to understand the peculiar features, absent of our analysis, explaining such a result.
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Re: Coronavirus

Breaking news !!
The Oxford University / AstraZeneca vaccine shows 70 per cent protection.

BBC news - Oxford vaccine shows 70 per cent protection
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Old 23.11.2020, 11:09
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The Oxford University / AstraZeneca vaccine shows 70 per cent protection.

BBC news - Oxford vaccine shows 70 per cent protection
Hmmm - not so promising in comparison to their competitors. I hope I will have the choice to pay for the better one.
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Old 23.11.2020, 11:20
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Hmmm - not so promising in comparison to their competitors. I hope I will have the choice to pay for the better one.

Well according to the article the Oxford vaccine can be stored at fridge temperatures ( as opposed to super low temperatures with the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines ) and cost far less than the current
competitors awaiting regulatory approval.

The Oxford vaccine will cost around £3, Pfizer's will cost around £15 or Moderna's around £25 for the vaccine.
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Old 23.11.2020, 11:22
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Hmmm - not so promising in comparison to their competitors. I hope I will have the choice to pay for the better one.
If the first dose is halved the results are 90% effective and allows 25% more vaccine available. They need a PR agent...
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Is Zurich one of the allowed Kantons?
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...-shopping.html

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If your primary residency is in Canton Appenzell (Innerrhoden, Ausserrhoden), St. Gallen, Thurgau, Zürich, Schaffhausen, Aargau, Basel-Stadt, Basel-Landschaft, Jura, or Solothurn you are allowed to stay in Baden-Württemberg up to 24h.
https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/de...rueckreisende/
Be aware that the other German states like Bayern, Hessen, and Rheinland-Pfalz have other rules.
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Well according to the article the Oxford vaccine can be stored at fridge temperatures ( as opposed to super low temperatures with the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines ) and cost far less than the current
competitors awaiting regulatory approval.

The Oxford vaccine will cost around £3, Pfizer's will cost around £15 or Moderna's around £25 for the vaccine.
Actually it's only the Pfizer vaccine that requires very low temperature, the Moderna one is also happy at normal fridge temperature.

So looks like it's a price/storage/availability compromise. At £3 a pop the Oxford is certainly going to be the vaccine of choice for poorer countries, Pfizer due to temperature and Modena due to price will be more restricted to richer ones.
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Numbers for fri, sat & sun combined are 9751 out of 58k tests

410 hospitalisations
213 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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Indeed great news - has BAG given us any update on when we could get them here?
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Old 23.11.2020, 12:14
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If the first dose is halved the results are 90% effective and allows 25% more vaccine available. They need a PR agent...
On a sample size of 3k. I'd love to see the stats how many were infected in the control group. If it's less than 100 or so a lot of caution needs to be applied to that 90% figure. If we are down at 30 in the control vs 3 in the vaccinated population there's a huge uncertainty.

(33% more vaccine available)
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Old 23.11.2020, 12:19
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Indeed great news - has BAG given us any update on when we could get them here?
There was only a super vague statement last Friday, "first half of 2021" ...
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Old 23.11.2020, 12:35
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Any real info on how long the immunity will last?
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" BBC....vaccine is a genetically modified common cold virus that used to infect chimpanzees. It has been altered to stop it causing an infection in people and to carry the blueprints for part of the coronavirus, known as the spike protein.
Once these blueprints are inside the body they start producing the coronavirus' spike protein, which the immune system recognizes as a threat and tries to squash it.
When the immune system comes into contact with the virus for real, it now knows what to do."
Will our immune system know what to do for the rest of our lives or just for a few months
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Old 23.11.2020, 12:39
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Will our immune system know what to do for the rest of our lives or just for a few months
The common flu vaccine gives immunity for a few months. I guess that's the achievable goal researchers are aiming for.
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The common flu vaccine gives immunity for a few months. I guess that's the achievable goal researchers are aiming for.
Of course the Choir keeps singing the chorus 'It's not like the flu'
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The common flu vaccine gives immunity for a few months. I guess that's the achievable goal researchers are aiming for.
Flu is a different virus that mutates a lot more readily to avoid immunity. So new vaccine is developed annually which is a best guess of what researchers think flu will be like.
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The common flu vaccine gives immunity for a few months. I guess that's the achievable goal researchers are aiming for.
Flu is a lot more prone to mutations than Coronaviruses as a class. I'd be hoping that the worst case scenario is an annual vaccination.
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Of course the Choir keeps singing the chorus 'It's not like the flu'
I guess part of the confusion is that we aren't a naive population to the flu so it's a bit of an apples / oranges comparison. For 99.99% of the worlds population that's had exposure to influenza it's pretty clear that Covid is significantly more dangerous.

For an uncontacted tribe type of situation (where it's a true like for like comparison) it's a different question.
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Flu is a lot more prone to mutations than Coronaviruses as a class. I'd be hoping that the worst case scenario is an annual vaccination.
That's a better phrasing. Indeed, we could consider annual vaccination as worst case scenario. Not bad I think. If anything better comes, well.....rejoice
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Re: Coronavirus

Yes your right baboon - looks like the Moderna vaccine will be streets ahead of the competition
( so far ) on the grounds of being 95 per cent effective against Covid19 while at the same time
not encumbered by storage problems of keeping it at superlow temperatures being storable at
refrigeration temperatures.

Although it still remains the more expensive of the three vaccines, surely the low-temp storage
costs must add to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines overall costs in the end ?
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