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Everyone seems to have forgotten that the flu affects about 5 million and kills more than half a million. Every single year of course.

People seriously need to calm the hell down.
People need to read up before they spread nonsense.

Do you seriously believe that the flu has a mortality rate of above 10%

Also it is not about what the disease has done up to now, it is about the potential a disease has to cause harm. And up to now Corona has the better numbers for causing harm to people/society.
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Also I shared a car with 3 Iranians for 2 hours and I shared shisha with them. They offered me my own mouthpiece tip but I wasn't thinking about coronavirus (also didn't know it was in Iran) and I declined it...

Am I F'ed
Hard to say. Iran appears to have lost control of their CV situation. They have the highest death toll outside China. Mobilizing army and all of that stuff now.

In your situation I’d assume exposure and begin body temperature monitoring and recording at least 3x per day and note any other medical insights. Healthy diet. No alcohol. Supplements. Etc.
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Old 05.03.2020, 17:59
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Of course Astérix knew about this 4 years ago

https://www.lefigaro.fr/bd/dans-aste...asque-20200303
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Old 05.03.2020, 18:03
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You know that you won't be able to keep your hands under control when you get hot pepper into your eyes.
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You'll die someday, but probably not tomorrow and not from this.
While he might not die from this if he's a reasonable healthy, younger person, chances he got Corona from what he describes aren't that small. I'd say if at least one of the guys he was with had it, then everyone (including him) has it now, at least chance for it is there. Since you took a flight afterwards, and could have potentionally infected others, I'd call the hospital and make an appointment for a Corona check.
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and dont share chilums otherwise you will look like the guy on the right

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Old 05.03.2020, 18:22
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Yeah as if everyone dropped dead immediately after merely being in the vicinity of the virus.

This to me is all completely OTT and apparently, people love their doomsday scenarios and being paranoid for the sake of being paranoid.
With respect, tell the government. They're the people who advised about yellow alert posters and made them red within a week.

'The Swiss government took an unprecedented measure last Friday to take over powers from the cantonal authorities to ban large gatherings in order to contain the spread of the virus.' https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/coronav...rules/45590140

This whole thing isn't about you or I. It's about protecting the herd and whether you like it or not, we're all members of that herd.

The vast majority of us will (hopefully) not contract this virus. Of those that do, the vast majority will have relatively minor symptoms, but the key is that we really need to consider others this time. The advised precautions are not difficult. Little childen can easily do them, so why any grown adults have a problem with this astounds me.

When I worked in food production, you were sent home if you had a mild cold, never mind flu, because they couldn't risk the product becoming contaminated. It was a huge shock when I moved to office work and saw the state that some people would drag themselves to work in.
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This is all beginning to hit home. Local companies who cater to tourists have begun implementing reduced working hours. Meetings and lessons are being called off. There's an upturn in absenteeism in schools.

I'm not enjoying this virus one bit.
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I'm beginning to regret not taking out the cancellation option on hotel rooms I have booked at Easter.
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Do you seriously believe that the flu has a mortality rate of above 10%
The "nonsense" would be called a typo/making a mess of two pieces of information. Thanks for the kind reminder, but I'm well aware the flu doesn't have a mortality rate of 10%.
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The "nonsense" would be called a typo/making a mess of two pieces of information. Thanks for the kind reminder, but I'm well aware the flu doesn't have a mortality rate of 10%.
Yet your post said and still does say that flu has a mortality rate of 10%
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With respect, tell the government. They're the people who advised about yellow alert posters and made them red within a week.

'The Swiss government took an unprecedented measure last Friday to take over powers from the cantonal authorities to ban large gatherings in order to contain the spread of the virus.' https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/coronav...rules/45590140

This whole thing isn't about you or I. It's about protecting the herd and whether you like it or not, we're all members of that herd.

The vast majority of us will (hopefully) not contract this virus. Of those that do, the vast majority will have relatively minor symptoms, but the key is that we really need to consider others this time. The advised precautions are not difficult. Little childen can easily do them, so why any grown adults have a problem with this astounds me.

When I worked in food production, you were sent home if you had a mild cold, never mind flu, because they couldn't risk the product becoming contaminated. It was a huge shock when I moved to office work and saw the state that some people would drag themselves to work in.
100’s of people at Geneva airport, no screening of incoming passages. Less than 1% wearing masks. Same story in Rome.
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Re: Coronavirus

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People need to read up before they spread nonsense.

Do you seriously believe that the flu has a mortality rate of above 10%

Also it is not about what the disease has done up to now, it is about the potential a disease has to cause harm. And up to now Corona has the better numbers for causing harm to people/society.
dont quote me but official mortality rate of the flu in Europe is around 0.5% whilst coronas last week was a steady 2% globally , its now at 3.4% . its pretty obvious that the rate of mortality will increase exponentially to the number of people who are old and the chronically ill, once they're wiped out , the percentage will drop but we wont let that happen will we.

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Italy just released their daily new number.

Infections up with 769 to 3858, and deaths up with 41 to 148
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dont quote me but official mortality rate of the flu in Europe is around 0.5% whilst coronas last week was a steady 2% globally , its now at 3.4% . its pretty obvious that the rate of mortality will increase exponentially to the number of people who are old and the chronically ill, once they're wiped out , the percentage will drop but we wont let that happen will we.
Yes I am fully aware of all of that.

It was a rhetorical question, since nobody should believe nor state that the flu has such high rate.
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Old 05.03.2020, 19:37
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1st death in the UK.

But can't find the exact info now.
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I'm posting again despite getting flack for asking people to prepare for this.

What most normal working people don't understand is "compound interest". A way to easily represent compound interest is visualising a piece of a4 paper folding 7 times. Now if you wanted to fold something 42 times that same piece of paper would span from the earth to the moon (which is the same amount of space that could fit in all of the planets of the solar system). That is how much people don't understand compound interest.

Current growth would mean 1.7 million cases outside of Europe within three weeks. That is based on 13,000 cases doubling every three days which is the current trajectory.

It probably wont be 1.7 million cases because by next week things will be taken more seriously, working from home, travel bans etc.

This disease is not over hyped. The actions we take now will determine the cases. If we take draconian action now the long term consequences are better.

Also, the "doctor" from CHUV is like many doctors who don't understand fat tail distribution and R naught values.
4 points:

1) 19% hospitalisation rate is enormous. This has the potential to cripple the best of health care systems if it reaches enough people. Putting pressure on hospitals is a bad idea because other sick people have less access to services.

2) Even if you are low risk you can still spread this virus to high risk people and then they could die.

3)We don't know what the fatality rate is, we only have an estimate but having a low fatality rate may mean that a virus spreads quicker because dead people don't tend to spread viruses.

4)The most important point. Never compare something that is multiplicative with something that isn't. Poverty doesn't spread between people, cancer doesn't spread between people, heart disease doesn't spread between people, diabetes doesn't spread between people. Viruses spread and they spread quickly and exponentially. The actions we take right now make a huge impact on the number of cases.

Get some food and be prepared. I wont say how much this time but be in your own definition prepared. But also, why on earth would you wait for everyone else to panic before you do?
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Old 05.03.2020, 19:49
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1st death in the UK.

But can't find the exact info now.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11950440
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Less than 1% wearing masks
Masks are a waste of time, and money. Except for medical professionals who know when and how to wear them. And are now having difficulties getting them.
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I also want to apologise if I sounded alarmist. I stated in a previous post that infrastructure could fail. I've reconsidered that and I think it is unlikely.

However I think food could temporarily be in short supply and I think it is a good idea to get some.

I'd also like to qualify what I've said: I have worked as a respiratory physiotherapist (albeit only two months) working in ICU - one month in a children hospital ICU in Inverness and another outside of Motherwell. I understand respiratory conditions but also during winter (when I worked there) these ICU's are Already full . When a car crash happens and 4 people have to go to ICU it can really put the entire staff under pressure. It is that fragile. Now imagine a lot of people getting very sick very quickly. It is massive. Care isn't delivered to those who need it. Doctors work a lot longer under a lot more pressure and make more mistakes.

I also really like math. I'm quite good at it and I take an interest in epidemiology but I'm not an expert in either of the two. So I listen to the experts and the experts who understand probability prepared for this three weeks ago. In Italy they regret not taking action sooner and there are a lot of Chinese who wish they listened to advice.

This is a big deal, but it could be less of a big deal if you listen to the existing WHO warnings and take care. The action you take at the beginning of the curve determines the rest of it.
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