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23.11.2020, 14:24
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Yes your right baboon - looks like the Moderna vaccine will be streets ahead of the competition
( so far ) on the grounds of being 95 per cent effective against Covid19 while at the same time
not encumbered by storage problems of keeping it at superlow temperatures being storable at
refrigeration temperatures.
Although it still remains the more expensive of the three vaccines, surely the storage costs must
the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines overall costs in the end. | | | | | Looks like its astrazeneca for the developing world (cheap, good temperature stability), and Pfizer / Moderna (expensive and/or poor stability at raised temperatures but more effective) for the developed world.
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23.11.2020, 14:45
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like its astrazeneca for the developing world (cheap, good temperature stability), and Pfizer / Moderna (expensive and/or poor stability at raised temperatures but more effective) for the developed world. | | | | | Although ( don't laugh !! ) were disregarding the 4th horse in the race, namely Sputnik V which the
Russian authorities claim is over 90 per cent effective against Covid19 and will ( no doubt ) be
available to Russia's old and new comrades in Belarus, the Crimea, Cuba, Venezuela and all the
russian backed separatists in Eastern Ukraine & Transnistria ( in eastern Moldova ), etc, etc.
Of course like many of us, when I first heard the news that Russia had launched Sputnik V,
I wondered how soon it would be orbiting the earth !!
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23.11.2020, 17:43
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| | Re: Coronavirus
Oxford vaccine tells virus about how it went to oxford until the virus gets annoyed and leaves the body.
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23.11.2020, 18:19
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The University of Oxford, useful for developing vaccines, not so useful when asking their professor's and academic's opinions on lockdowns and face masks | The following 2 users would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post: | | 
23.11.2020, 18:33
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As we are seeing the picture improving on a national level, it is noteworthy that most of the decline in cases and hospitalizations comes from Romandie. In the German part it looks flat so far. Flat = stable increase of numbers.
So maybe too early for shoulder padding in the German part. Interestingly, Germany also seems to just stagnate on new cases, but cannot get them to fall yet. Of course, still on lower per capita levels. https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covidDashboard/ | 
23.11.2020, 19:02
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Gets boring always writing the same reply.
The lockdown's objective was to avoid overloading the hospitals, nobody ever claimed mortality rate improvements.
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23.11.2020, 19:18
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Looks like its astrazeneca for the developing world (cheap, good temperature stability), and Pfizer / Moderna (expensive and/or poor stability at raised temperatures but more effective) for the developed world. | | | | | I have the feeling that the RNA based vaccines (Pfizer / Moderna) are likely to be safer than the traditional type vaccines.
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23.11.2020, 19:29
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Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Modena vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe
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23.11.2020, 19:32
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LATEST NHS ENGLAND - CV 19 REPORT TO 19th Nov
The number of people whose deaths were attributed to CV, without Pre-Existing Medical Conditions, is 1,664 aged 0 to 112. The population of England is approx. 56 million.
That means the fatality rate is just 0.0029% for all ages, with NO known pre-existing medical
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23.11.2020, 19:42
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | LATEST NHS ENGLAND - CV 19 REPORT TO 19th Nov
The number of people whose deaths were attributed to CV, without Pre-Existing Medical Conditions, is 1,664 aged 0 to 112. The population of England is approx. 56 million.
That means the fatality rate is just 0.0029% for all ages, with NO known pre-existing medical | | | | | Really? Your denominator is 100% of the population. Assuming 100% had Covid? Also, you assume that 100% had no pre-existing conditions?
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23.11.2020, 19:42
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A rather chilling article in Swiss Info https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...vance/46175294 asking for the vulnerable, which includes people over 60 and those with diabetes and heart disease, to think ahead and commit to paper what treatment they would want in the event of contracting Covid.
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23.11.2020, 19:46
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Really? Your denominator is 100% of the population. Assuming 100% had Covid? Also, you assume that 100% had no pre-existing conditions? | | | | | If you have no pre existing conditions, you are more likely to die in a motor accident in the UK if you want some perspective.
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23.11.2020, 19:48
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I have the feeling that the RNA based vaccines (Pfizer / Moderna) are likely to be safer than the traditional type vaccines. | | | | | What makes you say that?
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23.11.2020, 19:51
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | If you have no pre existing conditions, you are more likely to die in a motor accident in the UK if you want some perspective. | | | | | Where did you find the statistics of the number of people with no pre-existing conditions who died in a motor accident in the UK?
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23.11.2020, 19:51
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | What makes you say that? | | | | | They have a feeling?!?
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23.11.2020, 19:53
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | A rather chilling article in Swiss Info https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...vance/46175294 asking for the vulnerable, which includes people over 60 and those with diabetes and heart disease, to think ahead and commit to paper what treatment they would want in the event of contracting Covid. | | | | | Is 'Death by Snu Snu' an option?
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23.11.2020, 19:53
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | What makes you say that? | | | | | It is just a feeling that the RNA viruses are more closely focussed and so less likely to have side effects, I have no evidence to support this.
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23.11.2020, 19:58
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Where did you find the statistics of the number of people with no pre-existing conditions who died in a motor accident in the UK? | | | | | UK Government provisional estimate for 2018! is that good enough for you  Headline no is 1770 so in the ballpark of COVID. https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ding-june-2018 | 
23.11.2020, 20:02
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Oxford vaccine tells virus about how it went to oxford until the virus gets annoyed and leaves the body. | | | | | Thank you, thank you, thank you! This has had me chuckling, over and over, since I read it. Best Post of the Day, by far.
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