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Any real info on how long the immunity will last?
3 months, remember?
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:06
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Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Modena vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe

I am getting all 3 for triple protection. Is there a 4th one coming out soon? I want one on each limb. If two more come out afterwards, then one on each bum for backup. Make vaccines great again
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:21
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LATEST NHS ENGLAND - CV 19 REPORT TO 19th Nov
The number of people whose deaths were attributed to CV, without Pre-Existing Medical Conditions, is 1,664 aged 0 to 112. The population of England is approx. 56 million.
That means the fatality rate is just 0.0029% for all ages, with NO known pre-existing medical
Id have said that being 112 counts as a pre-existing condition.
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:22
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3 months, remember?
That was always "Fake News" as they say.
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:23
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Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Modena vaccine: effective, protective and safe
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe
Playing devil's advocate here because I know a lot of skeptics and flat-out anti-vaxxers.

That's all according to the companies' own press releases so far, right? Any published, peer-reviewed studies out with those numbers of 90+ % yet that are being truthful about side effects?
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:32
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Re: Coronavirus

Corona news for the masses 101, it starts like this:

BREAKING NEWS Sturgis rally may have caused more than 250,000 new coronavirus cases, study finds

And when reality hits weeks after the rally:

Only 86 people infected at the Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota, new report says

Another scaremongering hysteria

If you are for a good laugh, please read the first article:

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Economists researching the cost of a “superspreading event” estimate that the public health price tag of Sturgis could be more than $12.2 billion.

Findings indicated that if all cases were assumed to be non-lethal, the “conservative” estimated public health costs of the rally would be more than $12.2 billion, according to the study. That number is based on a previous study that estimated each COVID-19 case averaged out to $46,000.

“This is enough to have paid each of the estimated 462,182 rally attendees $26,553.64 not to attend,” the IZA study found.
So out of the 460k people that attended the event 51 got directly infected at the even and another 35 later on from direct contacts with attendees.

You wanna bet how many bikers wore a mask?
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:47
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If you have no pre existing conditions, you are more likely to die in a motor accident in the UK if you want some perspective.
And if you have no Covid, you are not going to die from it. That was my criticism to your "fatality rate" assessment.
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Old 23.11.2020, 19:48
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As we are seeing the picture improving on a national level, it is noteworthy that most of the decline in cases and hospitalizations comes from Romandie. In the German part it looks flat so far. Flat = stable increase of numbers.

So maybe too early for shoulder padding in the German part. Interestingly, Germany also seems to just stagnate on new cases, but cannot get them to fall yet. Of course, still on lower per capita levels.
So, Mr Clifton, mind explaining why the lockdown cantons are the ones with reducing numbers?
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Old 23.11.2020, 20:02
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It is just a feeling that the RNA viruses are more closely focussed and so less likely to have side effects, I have no evidence to support this.
Interesting. A very good friend of mine (doctor, oncologist) says he is not going to take a RNA-based vaccine because it has never been done so far and he is going to be on the sidelines of this for a while.

I have no educated opinion, tend to trust the approval process
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Old 23.11.2020, 21:44
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And if you have no Covid, you are not going to die from it. That was my criticism to your "fatality rate" assessment.
Not necessarily true, in Malta the test people after death, people that were tested 2 days before 'just in case', they hit the jackpot a couple of times with this
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Old 23.11.2020, 22:20
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Not necessarily true, in Malta the test people after death, people that were tested 2 days before 'just in case', they hit the jackpot a couple of times with this
So do the dead count as having had underlying conditions?
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Old 23.11.2020, 22:34
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Interesting. A very good friend of mine (doctor, oncologist) says he is not going to take a RNA-based vaccine because it has never been done so far and he is going to be on the sidelines of this for a while.

I have no educated opinion, tend to trust the approval process
Just because I posted my feeling that RNA viruses are safer does not mean I will rush to take one. Usually, Phase III vaccine testing takes 5 - 10 years so I will wait a while before trying for all COVID-19 vaccines.
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Well to check the simplist one for me to find, according to SAC 135 people lost their lives in mountain accidents in Switzerland in 2018. So far, in a statistic that is extremely easy to find right at the top of the BAG covid data page, 1,046 people have died from covid, a figure that is currently increasing by over 80 per day. That's already 8 times more from covid. Care to justify your figure?

Deaths PREVENTED by lockdown are of course not included, can you not see that is the point of a lockdown?

The 2 lockdowns I've looked at recently - Wales and Valais - have been very successful in reducing infections. Reduce infections and you reduce deaths. Simples.
At the time I qouted, 54 people under 50yrs old with no underlying medical conditions, Covid fatalities.
I based the comparisons on 54. It was to highlight the complete madness in the current approach which is totally missing the vulnerable demographic.
I dont think the over 80s will be scanning barcodes in pubs using a smartphone.
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Corona news for the masses 101, it starts like this:

BREAKING NEWS Sturgis rally may have caused more than 250,000 new coronavirus cases, study finds

And when reality hits weeks after the rally:

Only 86 people infected at the Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota, new report says

Another scaremongering hysteria

Quoted from the second link "In neighboring Minnesota, the state's health department investigated a Covid-19 outbreak tied to the rally and found at least 51 residents had attended the rally and became sick". Also, "Ten of the Covid-19 patients reported having close contacts, but refused to disclose any of their details, so public health workers were unable to see if any of them were sick."
It's only within Minnesota, how about other states? How many more people from Minnesota who attended the rally but did not get tested? How many people who were in contact with those 51 infected participants but did not get tested? ...
So, for you to say that there're only 86 infections due to the rally, it's wrong.

I agree with your title "Corona news for the masses 101", just the current content is wrong
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At the time I qouted, 54 people under 50yrs old with no underlying medical conditions, Covid fatalities.
I based the comparisons on 54. It was to highlight the complete madness in the current approach which is totally missing the vulnerable demographic.
I dont think the over 80s will be scanning barcodes in pubs using a smartphone.
Well (1) you never mentioned under 50s in that post and (2) your comparisions were also not only for under 50s. I'm willing to bet that almost all of those tobacco deaths were also over 50.
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Playing devil's advocate here because I know a lot of skeptics and flat-out anti-vaxxers.

That's all according to the companies' own press releases so far, right?
No, that's according to their study results, which will most certainly conform to regulations, and therefore will have gone through safety testing and analysis, so any adverse events will already have been made available to regulatory authorities.

It's simply not possible in today's pharmaceutical industry to _not_ be "truthful about side effects".
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Old 24.11.2020, 09:56
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Just because I posted my feeling that RNA viruses are safer does not mean I will rush to take one. Usually, Phase III vaccine testing takes 5 - 10 years so I will wait a while before trying for all COVID-19 vaccines.
Is that you Tony?

Personally I will get it straight away.
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Old 24.11.2020, 10:25
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People arriving in England will be soon able to reduce their quarantine period by more than half if they pay for a Covid test after five days, the transport secretary has announced.

The rules will come into force from 15 December and the tests from private firms will cost between £65 and £120.
But if it takes a week to get the results ...
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No, that's according to their study results, which will most certainly conform to regulations, and therefore will have gone through safety testing and analysis, so any adverse events will already have been made available to regulatory authorities.

It's simply not possible in today's pharmaceutical industry to _not_ be "truthful about side effects".
Also my post was an Oxford comma joke that nobody seemed to get (or just didn't find funny )
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Todays published numbers are 4241 out of 20k tests

238 hospitalisations
142 death


https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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