Some Eastern European Front News - steady decline in overall cases but. Social and medical stats math modellers are warning that if "recovered" areas are to go by, we aren't seeing a real recovery. The places with the lowest occurence now (they have gone through the 2nd wave earlier than the rest) dropped down, plateau-ed somewhere mid position and are again worsening, despite the discipline and strict measuers - lockdown, curfews, all social life stopped, outside gathering only out of emergency reasons and at 2 people. They are thinking of further loosening up but watching Prague new small but steady increase is discouraging. Permanent lockdown not possible, either. There will likely have to be new strategy. Christmas is a moot it looks like.

And - a 1600gr newborn was born in Brno faculty hospital by a c-sec performed on an unconscious mom on a ventilator machine, due to CV. Both are now home, safe and happy. Baby born CV negative.

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I just didn't see your post till now! Very good!

Fairy tales about crossimmunity
Natural coronavirus immunity could be TWICE as common as experts thought after Public Health England study claims millions have protective T-cells from catching similar cold viruses
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Covid-19.html

Let's see if the EF scientists agree

I don't like DM but I really like that idea!

I missed your post. Saw it on Twitter though

Well, it seems the economy is doing well during the 2nd wave/lockdown in Europe. Of course on average, some specific business are getting crushed.

https://www.ft.com/content/92013406-...f-ad629f28b40c

A German study found that while T-cell memory exists, the immune reaction is unfortunately not very effective against Covid.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....15.20188896v1

"Key points

- Pre-existing SARS-CoV-2-reactive memory T cells are present in all humans, but have low functional avidity and broad target specificities
- Pre-existing memory T cells show only marginal cross-reactivity to common cold corona viruses
- Frequencies of pre-existing memory T cells increase with the size of the CD4+ memory compartment reflecting the “immunological age” of the individual
- Low-avidity and polyclonal, but strongly enhanced SARS-CoV-2 specific T cell responses develop in severe COVID-19, suggesting their origin from pre-existing memory
- The immunological age may represent a risk factor to develop severe COVID-19"

I am a biologist who works with level 2 viruses and knows quite a bit about virus biology and molecular biology. They are the new kid in town, but I think mRNA vaccines are likely to be very safe and probably the way of the future. They seem like an excellent way to deliver a high amount of antigen with a low chance of long-term side effects. I am less enthusiastic about DNA based vaccines. Reason being that mRNA molecules can directly drive high-level expression of antigen proteins, but they don't stick around in the body for long. DNA molecules can hang around for years, and there is always the risk of it integrating into your genome.

As a real scientist I have to say that is actually quite likely.
It has been known from pretty early on that T cells are important in combatting COVID-19.

Just felt my stolen joke should get the thanks it deserved

Does science know:

1. Why some virus infections cause lifelong immunity and others do not?
2. Why some antiviral vaccines provide lifelong resistance to infection and others barely effective for 6 months?
3. Why cross immunity does not exist to seasonal flu viruses?

Seems Switzerland can't give us a solid answer as to when we will get the vaccines, stating early 2021 is most likely.

Anyone have insight as to why a country with many pharmaceutical powers cannot get a vaccine before France? FFS

Profit?
Waiting for them to be tested en masse on the French?

"Swissmedic spokesman Lukas Jaggi explains: Only when the entire documentation and the clinical part have been submitted and evaluated can a decision on an initial authorization be made. "We hope to receive more meaningful data from approval studies at the beginning of 2021 and are preparing to be able to make a decision quickly."

https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/wissen...in-der-schweiz

Yet the UK, USA and Germany will have it done in December

I only have a guess: VP of Novartis believes Hydroxychloroquine cures Covid 19 , so vaccine might not be high priority as long as that genius is at the head.

Are they still using this for treatment?

guess again. novartis sold their vaccines business to GSK back in 2015.

Vaccines don't make much Monet according to an esteemed member, I guess it's a matter of timing.