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Does science know:

1. Why some virus infections cause lifelong immunity and others do not?
2. Why some antiviral vaccines provide lifelong resistance to infection and others barely effective for 6 months?
3. Why cross immunity does not exist to seasonal flu viruses?
I'd say that science rarely speaks in absolute terms like: "There's no doubt that...." when adressing issues with many contributing factors.

It's not my field of expertise, but I think that at least point 1 can be answered with yes, maybe two as well.
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People arriving in England from abroad will be soon able to reduce their quarantine by more than half if they pay for a Covid test after five days, the transport secretary has announced.


The rules will come into force from 15 December and the tests from private firms will cost between £65 and £120.
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Old 24.11.2020, 17:10
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Seems Switzerland can't give us a solid answer as to when we will get the vaccines, stating early 2021 is most likely.

Anyone have insight as to why a country with many pharmaceutical powers cannot get a vaccine before France? FFS
They have Sanofi tbf
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Old 24.11.2020, 17:11
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Does science know:

1. Why some virus infections cause lifelong immunity and others do not?
2. Why some antiviral vaccines provide lifelong resistance to infection and others barely effective for 6 months?
3. Why cross immunity does not exist to seasonal flu viruses?
1 and 2 are variants of the same question and cross-immunity does exist for seasonal flu viruses

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They have Sanofi tbf
Yea ... but who does Germany have? All the bigger powers it seems are getting the vaccines first.
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Old 24.11.2020, 17:26
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People arriving in England from abroad will be soon able to reduce their quarantine by more than half if they pay for a Covid test after five days, the transport secretary has announced.

The rules will come into force from 15 December and the tests from private firms will cost between £65 and £120.
This actually isn't very useful, unless you are planning to stay in the UK for two weeks or more. Five days in quarantine, get a test, probably two more days in quarantine while waiting for the result... certainly won't be enough to persuade me to go back for Christmas.

Edit: I meant that the UK measures are not very useful, not Jackie's post :-)
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Old 24.11.2020, 17:29
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This actually isn't very useful, unless you are planning to stay in the UK for two weeks or more. Five days in quarantine, get a test, probably two more days in quarantine while waiting for the result... certainly won't be enough to persuade me to go back for Christmas.
In the UK you can quarantine at the home of a friend or family, so other than not leaving the house it could be Christmas as normal.
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Yea ... but who does Germany have? All the bigger powers it seems are getting the vaccines first.
Would you go back to the US and get it?

If they insist on taxing you guys after you leave I think you are well within your rights to march back and demand stuff like this.
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Yea ... but who does Germany have? All the bigger powers it seems are getting the vaccines first.
We are not even ready with the infrastructure yet. I looked a little bit at todays press conference where they said they are still discussing what the best route will be....
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Old 24.11.2020, 17:55
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Vaccines don't make much Monet according to an esteemed member, I guess it's a matter of timing.
it's a difficult business. noboday wants to pay for insurance but it's too late once the event hits. maybe the pandamic will alter attitudes and make vaccines a more profitable business in the future.
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Old 24.11.2020, 18:09
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In the UK you can quarantine at the home of a friend or family, so other than not leaving the house it could be Christmas as normal.
Not really, if you follow the rules to the letter:

"You should stay in a well-ventilated room with a window to the outside that can be opened, separate from other people in your home."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...avel-to-the-uk
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This actually isn't very useful, unless you are planning to stay in the UK for two weeks or more. Five days in quarantine, get a test, probably two more days in quarantine while waiting for the result... certainly won't be enough to persuade me to go back for Christmas.

Edit: I meant that the UK measures are not very useful, not Jackie's post :-)
Whoevers policing the quarantine of travellers to England should 'hang their heads in shame' as it's a joke.
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Old 24.11.2020, 19:15
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Yea ... but who does Germany have? All the bigger powers it seems are getting the vaccines first.
That's what being bigger and stronger gets you.

Germany has ten times the population of Switzerland. It also has Bayer, Merck (the other one!), and Boehringer (both of them), among many other pharmaceutical companies.

Also, Germany and France are in the EU and Switzerland isn't. The EU struck a deal today for 160 million doses of the Moderna vaccine, taking its vaccine stocks to about 2 billion doses.

Being outside large trading blocs isn't always beneficial.
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Old 24.11.2020, 19:20
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That's what being bigger and stronger gets you.

Germany has ten times the population of Switzerland. It also has Bayer, Merck (the other one!), and Boehringer (both of them), among many other pharmaceutical companies.

Also, Germany and France are in the EU and Switzerland isn't. The EU struck a deal today for 160 million doses of the Moderna vaccine, taking its vaccine stocks to about 2 billion doses.

Being outside large trading blocs isn't always beneficial.
I can't imagine Switzerland would want to play guinea pigs with it's population who are generally fitter than in most countries.
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That's what being bigger and stronger gets you.

Germany has ten times the population of Switzerland. It also has Bayer, Merck (the other one!), and Boehringer (both of them), among many other pharmaceutical companies.

Also, Germany and France are in the EU and Switzerland isn't. The EU struck a deal today for 160 million doses of the Moderna vaccine, taking its vaccine stocks to about 2 billion doses.

Being outside large trading blocs isn't always beneficial.
But isnít Moderna producing those Vaccines in the Valais?
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Old 24.11.2020, 19:25
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But isnít Moderna producing those Vaccines in the Valais?
Yes. But since when did place of production have anything to do with who pays the highest price to secure the product? (Or whatever the criterion for selecting the buyer may be. Maybe the EU and the US simply made the decision to buy before any other customers did.)
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Old 24.11.2020, 20:11
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Yea ... but who does Germany have? All the bigger powers it seems are getting the vaccines first.
Here is a list of countries and their vaccine portfolios (from a week ago).

It shouldn't be forgotten that it was a risk banking on a vaccine being discovered in the first place as there was no guarantee one would be found which may account for the disparity in how many doses have been secured. Fortunately it appears that a number have been so those that secured vaccines should return to normality sooner.



https://cib.db.com/insights-and-init...arly-there.htm
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Old 24.11.2020, 21:05
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Here is a list of countries and their vaccine portfolios (from a week ago).

It shouldn't be forgotten that it was a risk banking on a vaccine being discovered in the first place as there was no guarantee one would be found which may account for the disparity in how many doses have been secured. Fortunately it appears that a number have been so those that secured vaccines should return to normality sooner.



https://cib.db.com/insights-and-init...arly-there.htm
Why are the Swiss contracts with Pfizer/Biontech and AstraZeneca not in this?
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Old 24.11.2020, 21:12
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Why are the Swiss contracts with Pfizer/Biontech and AstraZeneca not in this?
The intern at DB who put together the chart probably missed that news
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Old 24.11.2020, 21:15
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Why are the Swiss contracts with Pfizer/Biontech and AstraZeneca not in this?
Do Switzerland have a contract with Pfizer? I thought it was just Moderna and Astra Zeneca.
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