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Isn't that the Swiss govt way? Tell everyone what to do?
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Old 25.11.2020, 20:02
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Isn't that the Swiss govt way? Tell everyone what to do?
Yup, tell. Tell only. As in speak, recommend, or suggest. But not command, mandate, or order. The true way of "Selber schuld" as described in the seminal work "Neutralität - or how I stop worrying about other peoples problems but still have time to tell them how wrong they are using laundry room notes" from the great philosopher Hans-Ueli Bünzli, edited and published by Heidi Brunner-Suter.
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Yup, tell. Tell only. As in speak, recommend, or suggest. But not command, mandate, or order. The true way of "Selber schuld" as described in the seminal work "Neutralität - or how I stop worrying about other peoples problems but still have time to tell them how wrong they are using laundry room notes" from the great philosopher Hans-Ueli Bünzli, edited and published by Heidi Brunner-Suter.
Speak , recommend or suggest..... and if you don't comply we'll fine the fork out of you. IME. The regulation folded-and-tied-with-string newspapers on paper day used to baffle and sadden in equal measure.
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Old 25.11.2020, 20:34
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Can't we just play a drinking game instead?

  • 1 sip of beer every time Sweden is mentioned
  • 1 shot of 40% alcohol for discussion on efficacy of mask wearing
  • 1 sip of beer for daily stats of number of new cases/deaths
  • 1 dl of wine for every occurrence of hysteria in comments
  • finish the beer/wine when the discussion moves to the meaning of socialism/communism
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  • 1 sip of beer every time Sweden is mentioned
  • 1 shot of 40% alcohol for discussion on efficacy of mask wearing
  • 1 sip of beer for daily stats of number of new cases/deaths
  • 1 dl of wine for every occurrence of hysteria in comments
  • finish the beer/wine when the discussion moves to the meaning of socialism/communism
I need an explanation of dl then I'm game.
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  • 1 sip of beer every time Sweden is mentioned
  • 1 shot of 40% alcohol for discussion on efficacy of mask wearing
  • 1 sip of beer for daily stats of number of new cases/deaths
  • 1 dl of wine for every occurrence of hysteria in comments
  • finish the beer/wine when the discussion moves to the meaning of socialism/communism
I'm in.

On topic, communism is unmasked socialism.
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I need an explanation of dl then I'm game.

1 deciliter, 1dl in weinkarten, commonly know as deci in Romandie, 100ml
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Old 25.11.2020, 20:47
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I need an explanation of dl then I'm game.
When I go into a bar and order 3 deci wine ( so alcoholic am I) that is 3 dl or three deciliters or 0.3 liters.
Prost, chinchin usw.
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I'm in.

On topic, communism is unmasked socialism.
Naah, communism is compulsory socialism.
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Old 25.11.2020, 20:50
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1 deciliter, 1dl in weinkarten, commonly know as deci in Romandie, 100ml

The first time I ordered wine by the glass in Switzerland (1 dl) , I was confused because although I had ordered just a glass of wine, they had appeared to pour a very small amount in my glass so I could check whether the wine was corked.

Seemed strange as this was only done for a newly opened bottle.

It was only later that I realised that 1dl was a truly mean amount of wine!
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Old 25.11.2020, 20:56
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The first time I ordered wine by the glass in Switzerland (1 dl) , I was confused because although I had ordered just a glass of wine, they had appeared to pour a very small amount in my glass so I could check whether the wine was corked.

Seemed strange as this was only done for a newly opened bottle.

It was only later that I realised that 1dl was a truly mean amount of wine!
How true.
When I was first here I was used to British "business" lunches on the lines of "shall we start with one or two bottles".

Then here in contrast there would be deep discussions about "shall we order 2 or 3 dl".
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When I go into a bar and order 3 deci wine ( so alcoholic am I) that is 3 dl or three deciliters or 0.3 liters.
Prost, chinchin usw.
Don't tell me you go to bars, you incarnation of Covid hysteria!?
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Old 25.11.2020, 21:19
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Don't tell me you go to bars, you incarnation of Covid hysteria!?
As Latin tags are now de rigueur here; mea culpa, mea culpa.
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Zee Germans are tightening contact restrictions to 5 adults from two household, extend the soft lockdown (restaurants mainly) till Jan and will have regional measures for areas with 7d infection rate of 200/100.000.

They even interrupt the TV program for announcing this.

Germany has about 1/5 of the Swiss numbers per capita.

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Re: Coronavirus

There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here - whereas 99% of those infected with covid do survive (99.2% in the US according to a metastudy https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/...update118.html, slightly less here with an older population), by no means are all of those 99% now feeling chipper.
With a new virus that can deal damage to anything from the lungs to the nervous system, anyone infected with it is essentially a guinea pig. Upwards of 10% of those "genesene" will suffer from long term effects, from fatigue, reduced lung function to reduced cognitive functions, ranging from several weeks to at least several months. No known vaccines have side effects for anywhere near that proportion.
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As Latin tags are now de rigueur here; mea culpa, mea culpa.
Is that English, boy? How how is it written?

"As Latin tags are now de rigueur here; mea culpa, mea culpa."

Now, write it out a hundred times.
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Can anybody point me to a story that says people over 60 are being asked to sign a no-resuscitation waiver at hospitals in CH ? One hospital, one canton, all of CH?

Mrs H says she read it on some FB group.. But I can't see any source.


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It has been widely reported in the world's media that Swiss doctors are ordering at risk patients to declare DNAR for Covid arrivals.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...vance/46175294

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2I62KB

What I've yet to see reported is that this is perfectly normal practice in Switzerland.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16625128/

https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2011.13157

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23139391/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21099190/

TonyC, based on my experience it is perfectly normal in CH (and I think most of the Western world) to discuss with patients entering hospital their desires for end-of-life care should the worst case scenario come true. This is so totally NOT the same thing as "ordering at risk patients to declare DNAR". Have you ever been hospitalized here for anything more serious than a wounded ego? If you had, you might be aware of the fact that signing what is called an advance care directive is a completely normal thing to do. The concept has been around for ages and ages, it has nothing to do with Corona. The document is not a waiver: that is, it does not exist to remove liability from your health care provider or insurance agency. Its purpose is to clearly communicate what your wishes are should you end up in e.g. a situation that might require life support. I struggle to see what aspect of this practice you find disagreeable.

John H, I can completely believe that in Corona time someone in an at-risk group might be asked to clarify what their wishes would be for end-of-life care, as there is a maybe a 1% chance they would die. It totally makes sense that Covid patients in a certain risk group are asked whether or not they would like to be resuscitated or not. It frankly pisses me off a bit that some people would re-word this as "people over 60 are being asked to sign a no-resuscitation waiver at hospitals in CH".

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As Latin tags are now de rigueur here; mea culpa, mea culpa.
So restrictions and personal responsibility are something other people should deal with?
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Old 26.11.2020, 00:29
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So restrictions and personal responsibility are something other people should deal with?
Irony is not your strong suit is it?
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I think he meant the EFers who posted rising numbers, copy-posted info on missing ICU beds (Neuchatel), dissed Swiss federal government for not re-introducing stricter measures all over CH, cca 2 wks ago. Short memory seems to be one of the EF trademarks, too.
University hospital Zürich reported yesterday there are 400 COVID patients in hospitals in the canton. At the height of the first wave, there were in 207.
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