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Old 27.11.2020, 14:35
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What are they (Singapore) doing differently Covid-wise than us?
Taking it a bit more seriously and not being such d**k heads as certain people on this forum.
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Old 27.11.2020, 14:38
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Chloroquine and a related compound, hydroxychloroquine, have been associated with cases of psychiatric disturbances and suicidal behavior after being given to COVID-19 patients, warned the EU's drug regulator today.

The two medicines were some of the first drugs put forward as possible treatments for the coronavirus, and were famously promoted by controversial French doctor Didier Raoult and U.S. President Donald Trump. However, since then, they haven't shown to be effective in clinical studies.

The European Medicines Agency said that it had initiated a review of the drugs after receiving a notification from Spain's medicines authority, AEMPS, of six cases of mental disturbances linked to coronavirus patients who were given higher than authorized doses of the medicines.
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The key point is the higher doses. The doses used in the early trial greatly exceeded the recommended daily amount. When used in lower doses within the recommended daily amount, Belgian doctors observed efficacy.
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Old 27.11.2020, 14:56
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They are an island and they don't have 400k cross border workers coming in and out every single day

They have ~300K migrant workers living in packed barracks. Measures to prevent contagion among the workers with zero social distance were a bit more than strict https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54082861
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They are an island and they don't have 400k cross border workers coming in and out every single day

-Singapore had 300K daily frontalier workers coming over from Johor Bahru (Malaysia) but that was stopped/ controlled since March.This really affected so many businesses and families but both Msia and SG knew they had to do this.
-Singapore had a huge surge in cases only recently as it's large population of migrant workers (mainly construction workers) had to be quarantined (SG did this with success but it was a long and costly process)
-SG has very strict quarantine rules (only in hotels designated by the govt) this is at the cost of the individual (even if you are Singaporean)
-They impose strict fines if you break any lockdown rules (unlike here) and the fines are severe, including people losing their work/ residence permits.
-Contact tracing is very strict and it works (with fines imposed if you don't use the app/device)


-Overall SG being an island and it's citizens being completely compliant - this all makes it somewhat easier to control. I am not saying that this way of life is without it's issues/ criticisms but in terms of Covid it seems to work.
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Old 27.11.2020, 14:59
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Which I think the latter being the reason for Romandie high numbers.
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Which I think the latter being the reason for Romandie high numbers.
Around 85k in the Greater Geneva area. Not so many for Lausanne and the rest of Romandie. Neighbouring France and the Haute Savoie are some of Franceís biggest hotspots. Who is feeding who?
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:43
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Which I think the latter being the reason for Romandie high numbers.
Iíve said that all along, I donít think itís coincidental that the worst affected cantons in Switzerland are the ones bordering France.
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Which I think the latter being the reason for Romandie high numbers.
So stop the frontaliers.
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So stop the frontaliers.
Wasn't that considered in spring in Ticino, and then they figured out that a large share of medical workers were Italians living in Lombardy?
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They are an island and they don't have 400k cross border workers coming in and out every single day
I guess you haven't been to Singapore lately. It's physically joined to Malaysia by the causeway -- the busiest border checkpoint in the world , as Swissotter intimated -- and by the Tuas Second Link Bridge. You could (illegally) swim the 500-odd metres to Singapore from Puteri Harbour, if you were moderately fit and kept a sharp eye out for ferries.
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Wasn't that considered in spring in Ticino, and then they figured out that a large share of medical workers were Italians living in Lombardy?
Same issue with Romandie? Even if so, there could have been exemptions for essential workers.

Maybe this will be a wake-up call for Switzerland not to be so reliant on cross-border and immigrant workers.
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Same issue with Romandie? Even if so, there could have been exemptions for essential workers.

Maybe this will be a wake-up call for Switzerland not to be so reliant on cross-border and immigrant workers.
I don't think this will change. Aren't most of us here somehow immigrant workers?
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Old 27.11.2020, 20:18
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Iíve said that all along..
So have I. And others.

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I don't think there is a way to change it. The reason I mentioned it was because the German part wasn't willing to share their beds, maybe under some Coronagraben assumptions. As if "schadenfreude" ever healed any infected Romandie CV patients. But I understand why they weren't willing at 1st.

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I don't think this will change. Aren't most of us here somehow immigrant workers?
And crossing border everyday? Probably not that many.
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-Singapore had 300K daily frontalier workers coming over from Johor Bahru (Malaysia) but that was stopped/ controlled since March.This really affected so many businesses and families but both Msia and SG knew they had to do this.
-Singapore had a huge surge in cases only recently as it's large population of migrant workers had to be quarantined (SG did this with success but it was a long and costly process)
-SG has very strict quarantine rules (only in hotels designated by the govt) this is at the cost of the individual (even if you are Singaporean)
-They impose strict fines if you break any lockdown rules (unlike here) and the fines are severe, including people losing their work/ residence permits.
-Contact tracing is very strict and it works (with fines imposed if you don't use the app/device)


-Overall SG being an island and it's citizens being completely compliant - this all makes it somewhat easier to control. I am not saying that this way of life is without it's issues/ criticisms but in terms of Covid it seems to work.
I agree with your post Swissotter. The one issue which you allude to in your final paragraph is that all who reenter Singapore are arbitrarily put on busses and transported to whichever hotels at their expense.

If one hits the lottery, one gets a good hotel but there is no guarantee which hotel one is shuttled to (and whether one flies first class, business class or economy - appears to make no difference - according to my friends in Singapore).

That said, whether one stays in Raffles, Shangri La or St Regis, the food one is served is commissioned by the airlines. So one pays I believe SGD 2000 for the two week quarantine and are served airline food the entire time and cannot step foot out of their room for any reason But many stay in pretty lousy hotels (my husband's colleague for instance was shuttled into a 3 star hotel in a small room and he was a smoker and had no balcony). He had to go "cold turkey" regarding smoking.

After 10 days I believe (it could be sooner, I haven't checked recently) one is tested for Covid and even if testing negative, one still has to stay in the hotel and quarantine.

Singapore is basically subsidizing the hotel industry and airline food industry by making people stay confined - even after many test negative.

Not great in my view... And my friends there who wish to travel and see their children abroad, are not having an easy choice. It is not sun and roses in Singapore. And when they open their borders, then what?

This virus will run its course. Shutting one's borders only delays the inevitable in my view. And then there are the unintended consequences shutting one's border. Economic issues typically lead to other issues which are hard to quantify at this point. It's a tough call...

Time will tell I guess...

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Well time to sort out the Christmas cards for a Covid Christmas this year.

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Followed by the English Forum Switzerlands rendition of the 12 Days of Covid.

On the 12 days of Covid the Virus brought to me:

12 - Bottles of Hand Gel
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6 - Feet away
5 - With Five wearing Face masks
4 - While four wait for their Covid tests
3 - As three look for Protect & Survive tips
2 - During their two Weeks of Self-isolation
1 - Leaving only one Dominic Cummings 'back on the road again' with his 2nd lockdown tour of Durham.
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Yes, that's my point.
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