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I can name at least two on here!
Don't be so hard on yourself. You are not the first or last to be taken by the corona hysteria
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:27
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Or the other way round - governments couldn't encourage masks until they had enough to go round.

I remember last spring, all pharmacies had signs saying: "We don't have any face masks or hand sanitizer" (or gloves or even thermometers!). They were scarce even for health workers!

In order to implement a mask mandate, you need to make millions of them available for the population. Otherwise, medical stocks would get looted. Indeed, there were reports of ambulances being broken into for supplies.
They would have suggested home made cloth masks, however they did not. Looks like at least 50% of people don't wear 'medical' style masks with mandates because they are not mandated.
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:30
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Covid Deaths Mount in France and the Czech Republic as Lockdowns Fail

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government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.
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It seems likely that one will not have to even compare economic deprivation with loss of life, as the final death toll following authoritarian lockdowns will most likely exceed the deaths from letting people choose how to manage their own risk. After taking the unprecedented economic depression into account, history will likely judge these lockdowns to be the greatest policy error of this generation.
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:37
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Don't be so hard on yourself. You are not the first or last to be taken by the corona hysteria
I sincerely hope that you or a member of your family doesn't get the virus,maybe then you would not be so complacent.

In the very least you should have some compassion to people who are vulnerable to this virus.
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:54
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I sincerely hope that you or a member of your family doesn't get the virus,maybe then you would not be so complacent.

In the very least you should have some compassion to people who are vulnerable to this virus.
Your irrational fear and desire to restrict everybody's freedom is way more dangerous than the virus itself
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:57
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Masks were discouraged until the moment the Swiss Federation purchased some 1B worth of masks I guess some of you want to forget that

Anyway, from the cool and logical Sweden, students organize parties to infect themselves from covid so they can be immune and not be bothered anymore.
Ah, Sweden, the country with no "second wave" Sweden has reported 397 Covid deaths in the past nine days, more than either Norway or Finland have announced during the entire pandemic.

Here are the confirmed cases due to the coronavirus in Sweden that the Public Health Authority reports - the figures are updated once a day, Tuesday - Friday after 14:00.

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Cases already rose again in Sweden in July and August.
Sweden didn't panic though as their chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said don't worry about cases, rather worry about the number of people entering hospital.
Now they have a very low number of new cases.
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Covid Deaths Mount in France and the Czech Republic as Lockdowns Fail

From the author of Why Commies Hate Your Thanksgiving Dinner

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Old 30.11.2020, 22:19
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Don't be so hard on yourself. You are not the first or last to be taken by the corona hysteria
This is what I was alluding to earlier, it's remarkable how many people have been manipulated by the media and hapless politicians trying to firefight the virus without having any sort of long term strategy. The positions that are considered "hardline" (anti-mask, anti-lockdown) were settled scientific positions pre-March 2020. One of the reasons behind Sweden's success is a consistent strategy since March which has led to less hysteria, less anger, less panic, less resentment and less Covid fatigue.
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Old 30.11.2020, 22:28
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Sweden's success


Are you going all out to make yourself even more of a total laughing stock over this than you already are? Have a quick look at marton's post just 2 above yours.
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more than either Norway or Finland have announced during the entire pandemic.
Even the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda would be envious of your comparison techniques

Finland and Norway together have the population of Sweden and they are 70% and 40% less populated than Sweden
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Old 30.11.2020, 22:35
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Even the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda would be envious of your comparison techniques

Finland and Norway together have the population of Sweden and they are 70% and 40% less populated than Sweden
Comparing 9 days to 9 months.

Care to explain why Sweden has roughly 10 times the covid deaths of Finland and Norway combined for the same population?
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Old 30.11.2020, 23:01
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Even the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda would be envious of your comparison techniques

Finland and Norway together have the population of Sweden and they are 70% and 40% less populated than Sweden
Not only that, there's population density (for example Stockholm is twice is densely populated as Oslo or Helsinki, and also twice as big), demographics (Sweden has a far bigger immigrant population of higher risk ethnic groups like Somali, Eritreans and Syrians), social customs, lifestyle etc. It's certainly not scientific in anyway whatsoever and it's basically cherry picking.

The big picture remains that Sweden has about the 25th worst death rate in the world, not bad considering they never had masks, never had lockdowns. For people who value freedom of choice, they certainly have number one spot!
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Not only that, there's population density (for example Stockholm is twice is densely populated as Oslo or Helsinki, and also twice as big), demographics (Sweden has a far bigger immigrant population of higher risk ethnic groups like Somali, Eritreans and Syrians), social customs, lifestyle etc. It's certainly not scientific in anyway whatsoever and it's basically cherry picking.

The big picture remains that Sweden has about the 25th worst death rate in the world, not bad considering they never had masks, never had lockdowns. For people who value freedom of choice, they certainly have number one spot!
If they had had masks and lockdowns then they would be around 110th worst death rate in the world as their neighbours, not 25th
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Old 01.12.2020, 00:04
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...Sweden has a far bigger immigrant population of higher risk ethnic groups...
Norway is about 8.5% non-European. Sweden about 6%.
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Its no wonder why Sweden has more deaths per capita than N or F. What is more interesting is that many countries with crazy lockdowns have higher death numbers.
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Over and over and over, again and again and again, since then. I've never seen anything quite like it. Or perhaps I have. Over and over and...
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Old 01.12.2020, 08:50
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Re: Coronavirus

Tagesanzeiger reporting that additional restrictions likely to come in end of this week. Maximum 2 households meeting privately and maximum 2 households on one restaurant table (in addition to the existing 10 people / 4 people restrictions respectively).

So far the Tagi have a very good record with these reports.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/berset-...n-706129385899 (requires registration)
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They would have suggested home made cloth masks, however they did not. Looks like at least 50% of people don't wear 'medical' style masks with mandates because they are not mandated.
because cloth masks are pure evil. people weak them whole f&%^g day!, truly believe that they provide some kind of protection, instead exhale germs, growing them on warm wet mask and inhale back. brilliant!
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Ah, Sweden
"- Doctor, my sweden irritates every day, what should I do?
- just dont scratch it, leave it alone"

btw, deaths in Sweden declining now. same as in CH but w/o masks and so on
and number of deaths times less then in CH. also w/o masks and so on
It seems the virus dont care about your measures, its just need to way thru its course
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Old 01.12.2020, 10:44
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You guys do know that there is a facemask thread?

https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...ace-masks.html
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