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Old 01.12.2020, 11:04
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Yet another reason not to contract COVID-19: long-term lung damage. New evidence shows lung abnormalities more than three months after infection.

Think twice, or more, before putting yourself at risk of (or even actively seeking out, as advocated by V__) infection with the coronavirus.
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:17
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Hm, shouldn't the whole team go into quarantine and not participate in the next race?

"World champion Lewis Hamilton will miss this weekend's Formula 1 Sakhir Grand Prix in Bahrain after testing positive for coronavirus.

His team, Mercedes, said the Briton woke with mild symptoms on Monday and returned a positive result at a subsequent test and again at a retest.

Hamilton, who is now self-isolating, won the Bahrain Grand Prix at the same circuit on Sunday.

Mercedes say a replacement will be named in due course."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55142428

The whole team must have been exposed so why are they still going to race?
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:20
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Its no wonder why Sweden has more deaths per capita than N or F. What is more interesting is that many countries with crazy lockdowns have higher death numbers.
Might have something to do with the general state of health of the population, quality of medical care i.e. access or lack thereof to the best treatments/medicines/medical equipment. I wouldn't discard the heavily unreported nosocomial infections either.
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:21
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Hm, shouldn't the whole team go into quarantine and not participate in the next race?

"World champion Lewis Hamilton will miss this weekend's Formula 1 Sakhir Grand Prix in Bahrain after testing positive for coronavirus.

His team, Mercedes, said the Briton woke with mild symptoms on Monday and returned a positive result at a subsequent test and again at a retest.

Hamilton, who is now self-isolating, won the Bahrain Grand Prix at the same circuit on Sunday.

Mercedes say a replacement will be named in due course."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55142428

The whole team must have been exposed so why are they still going to race?
I'm guessing they're all tested and clear. They're hardly only testing the drivers.
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:52
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I'm guessing they're all tested and clear. They're hardly only testing the drivers.
So was he - right through Sunday. Monday morning - tested positive.

"Mercedes said Hamilton was tested three times last week, including on Sunday at the Bahrain International Circuit, and returned a negative result on each occasion."

Far as I know the rule pretty much everywhere is if you are in contact with someone who's tested positive you should go into quarantine to be on the safe side. I know our chimney sweep here had to do 10 days quarantine because he was notified he'd been in contact with someone who tested positive.
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:58
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Yet another reason not to contract COVID-19: long-term lung damage. New evidence shows lung abnormalities more than three months after infection.

Think twice, or more, before putting yourself at risk of (or even actively seeking out, as advocated by V__) infection with the coronavirus.
what ? no

YOLO!!
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Old 01.12.2020, 12:28
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Re: Coronavirus

Berset announcing new restrictions ahead of Christmas

10 people max in home coming from at max 2 households

Restaurant tables max of 4, also coming from at max 2 households

Curfew on New Year's of 01h
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Old 01.12.2020, 12:30
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So was he - right through Sunday. Monday morning - tested positive.

"Mercedes said Hamilton was tested three times last week, including on Sunday at the Bahrain International Circuit, and returned a negative result on each occasion."

Far as I know the rule pretty much everywhere is if you are in contact with someone who's tested positive you should go into quarantine to be on the safe side. I know our chimney sweep here had to do 10 days quarantine because he was notified he'd been in contact with someone who tested positive.
I think the rules are different for elite sports people
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers 3803 out of 19 k tests

226 hospitalisations
107 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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Old 01.12.2020, 13:08
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Todays published numbers 3803 out of 19 k tests

226 hospitalisations
107 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview


So the numbers are slowly coming down? I was suprised to read this article today. Are other countries really going to think we chose the right route without national lockdown?



"Switzerland halves new infections without national lockdown as pubs and restaurants stay open
Switzerland is emerging as a model for how the coronavirus can be contained without a national lockdown, after daily new infections halved since the start of November despite pubs, restaurants, gyms and sports remaining open in much of the country.
The figures were hailed as a triumph for the “Swiss special way” by Swiss government doctors last week, and will be seen as evidence that regional tiers can work in the UK.
Rather than ordering a general lockdown, Switzerland allowed regions to decide their own measures and only the worst-hit imposed tough restrictions. But critics have charged that the success came at too high a price, after the country experienced some of the highest death rates in Europe.
Switzerland has been described as the “new Sweden” after it refused to follow the UK and other countries into a second lockdown this month. The Swiss government imposed only minimal restrictions at a national level, including a limit of ten on private gatherings, an 11pm curfew for restaurants and the compulsory use of facemasks in crowded areas."
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Old 01.12.2020, 13:20
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So the numbers are slowly coming down? I was suprised to read this article today. Are other countries really going to think we chose the right route without national lockdown?
Here's to hoping so!!
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Switzerland is emerging as a model for how the coronavirus can be contained without a national lockdown, after daily new infections halved since the start of November despite pubs, restaurants, gyms and sports remaining open in much of the country.
But restaurants and gyms have been closed, and people have been told to work from home again. Not nationwide, but certainly where cases were high. If anything, I would say the fact that case number in Romandie reduced only after local partial lockdowns were put in place support the efficacy of such measures. It didn't make sense to shut things nationally, but closing things down where the cases were high was pretty much necessary, and seemed to have worked.
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Old 01.12.2020, 13:33
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Todays published numbers 3803 out of 19 k tests

226 hospitalisations
107 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
This looks like the decline is flattening out.
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Re: Coronavirus

Obviously someone who doesn’t understand that Switzerland isn’t a country, it’s a confederation of independent Republics.

The Romandie did indeed shut down to varying degrees meaning the infection rate has declined dramatically, however the hospitals are still stretched.

At least the French cantons are now coordinating their actions ...
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I wonder about the low number of tests performed....
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Old 01.12.2020, 13:50
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What is really strange though is the situation in Germany. Much stricter than CH, lower numbers per capita, but numbers don't come down and in some parts go up a lot. Either they are all having secret parties in the basement or there are other factors that measures alone cannot explain.
A very low herd effect.

Most other western European nations including Switzerland are probably in the region of 15-20% of people having been infected. Bear in mind that a disproportionate people in high risk professions (and also those who engage in high risk behaviour) will have had it - the effect on R is probably bigger than 15-20%.

Germany isn't anywhere near that, more like 5%.

The same explanation might see why French speaking Switzerland might finally begin to stop underperforming German speaking Switzerland with the same level of restrictions.
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Obviously someone who doesn’t understand that Switzerland isn’t a country, it’s a confederation of independent Republics.
The Romandie did indeed shut down to varying degrees meaning the infection rate has declined dramatically, however the hospitals are still stretched.
At least the French cantons are now coordinating their actions ...
I think many people/ countries don't understand that it is a confederation of the cantons "Switzerland’s cantons were allowed to decide their own restrictions at a regional level."
I was appalled at the numbers and disapointed at the national response initially (to some extent still) but reading the article did put things in a different perspective. I was all for a national lockdown but now see that each canton acting in response to their own numbers can also be another solution.

I still think Zurich could be doing more as a canton.
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A very low herd effect.

Most other western European nations including Switzerland are probably in the region of 15-20% of people having been infected. Bear in mind that a disproportionate people in high risk professions (and also those who engage in high risk behaviour) will have had it - the effect on R is probably bigger than 15-20%.

Germany isn't anywhere near that, more like 5%.

The same explanation might see why French speaking Switzerland might finally begin to stop underperforming German speaking Switzerland with the same level of restrictions.
Hm, maybe. But then the huge spike in the French part a month ago seems counterintuitive to start with, no?
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Hm, maybe. But then the huge spike in the French part a month ago seems counterintuitive to start with, no?
Well - it would be enough to turn that R of 1.0 to 0.8-0.9 type area.

Re the French part - clear behaviour has been less good in that bit of CH (not surprising given that its been less good in France than Germany).
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Well - it would be enough to turn that R of 1.0 to 0.8-0.9 type area.

Re the French part - clear behaviour has been less good in that bit of CH (not surprising given that its been less good in France than Germany).
Says the guy from AG with Re = 1.09
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