 | | | 
04.12.2020, 10:34
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,561
Groaned at 34 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 2,122 Times in 1,058 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | In both cases you are a bit behind the curve. The point is - and where the BR have failed badly - to anticipate those changes. If you watched the trends, it was obvious a couple of weeks ago or more that the headline number was driven only by the French cantons and that the German cantons were failing. This already should have been the trigger for immediate action.
Likewise it was obvious by end August/early September that we were heading in a bad direction, introducing then the measures we have now probably would have been enough to keep things under control - but the BR were only prepared to see what they wanted to see. | | | | | I'd have put in restrictions starting from about last weekend. That'd be enough to ensure the curve is more or less on a continual decrease.
Aren't most of the French side opening up again? They are still no better off than the German side taken as a whole on new cases - so that would seem to be premature.
Admittedly there's a bigger herd effect on the French side now. Geneva has had 8% of the population actually diagnosed - so the real number of infections must be very considerable. No German kanton has reached even half that number
| 
04.12.2020, 10:54
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Nyon
Posts: 4,011
Groaned at 191 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 5,396 Times in 2,544 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: |  | | | Admittedly there's a bigger herd effect on the French side now. Geneva has had 8% of the population actually diagnosed. | | | | | For herd immunity you need in excess of 90% of the population to be immune. With measles it’s something like 96%.
And Geneva has an unusual population which grows by 85k every workday morning and declines by the same amount every evening. Give or take ...
| 
04.12.2020, 11:21
| Banned | | Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Zurich
Posts: 114
Groaned at 56 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 86 Times in 50 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
WE WERE WARNED ABOUT EXCHANGING OUR LIBERTIES FOR THE ILLUSION OF SECURITY https://www.bitchute.com/video/yb4Q5...AzdB2rS7p-OHJc | 
04.12.2020, 11:30
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Neuchâtel
Posts: 12,332
Groaned at 200 Times in 177 Posts
Thanked 19,953 Times in 8,248 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | For what? And where do you see that? | | | | | The last post he made on this thread has ‘banned’ under his name.
| 
04.12.2020, 11:31
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,561
Groaned at 34 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 2,122 Times in 1,058 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | For herd immunity you need in excess of 90% of the population to be immune. With measles it’s something like 96%.
And Geneva has an unusual population which grows by 85k every workday morning and declines by the same amount every evening. Give or take ... | | | | | For this disease it won't be that high - Measles natural R is about 15, COVID maybe 3-4.
And I said herd effect, not herd immunity. Nobody is claiming we are near herd immunity. At least not me.
If Geneva has say, 25% of its population already infected, R will be (approximately) 25% lower than it would otherwise have been. Obviously its a bit more complicated than that (frontaliers, the occasional reinfection) - but the general principle applies.
| 
04.12.2020, 12:28
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Nyon
Posts: 4,011
Groaned at 191 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 5,396 Times in 2,544 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | For this disease it won't be that high - Measles natural R is about 15, COVID maybe 3-4.
And I said herd effect, not herd immunity. Nobody is claiming we are near herd immunity. At least not me.
If Geneva has say, 25% of its population already infected, R will be (approximately) 25% lower than it would otherwise have been. Obviously its a bit more complicated than that (frontaliers, the occasional reinfection) - but the general principle applies. | | | | | I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders.
| 
04.12.2020, 13:05
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: LaCote
Posts: 733
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,285 Times in 485 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
Todays numbers are 4382 out of 27 k tests
199 hospitalisations
101 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview | This user would like to thank Sigh for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 13:06
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 1,995
Groaned at 23 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 2,587 Times in 1,218 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders. | | | | | I think the issue it's not coming from across the border but the scarce social distance during commuting. If the commute where in similar conditions inside CH, there would be similar problems.
| 
04.12.2020, 14:13
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,279
Groaned at 161 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 7,439 Times in 3,407 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Todays numbers are 4382 | | | | | I believe this is the first time for a few weeks we have an increase over the previous week. Fully expected but still sad to see that milestone passed.
| This user would like to thank baboon for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 14:19
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,279
Groaned at 161 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 7,439 Times in 3,407 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders. | | | | | Or as the infection rate in Genf is roughly twice the average for France perhaps infections are actually moving in the other direction.
| The following 2 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 14:25
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: la cote
Posts: 3,360
Groaned at 19 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 2,906 Times in 1,553 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Or as the infection rate in Genf is roughly twice the average for France perhaps infections are actually moving in the other direction. | | | | | The French press has reported this. French officials were blaming the Swiss for keeping things open, relatively speaking, and requiring cross border work, etc.
| 
04.12.2020, 14:39
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 1,995
Groaned at 23 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 2,587 Times in 1,218 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
Graubunden willing to do mass testing for covid19......in order to save ski season https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/first-s...sting/46203826 | 
04.12.2020, 14:55
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 1,995
Groaned at 23 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 2,587 Times in 1,218 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
...and the Corograben is gone. Lab confirmed cases per 100k people in the last 14 days:
FR: 518 VS: 522 GE: 555 VD: 602 NE: 630
Vs
LU: 524 ZH: 584 TG: 587 SO: 592 GR: 608 AG: 621 BL: 647 SG: 803
Full map here from Swiss Federal Health Office: https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/deta...hy?detTime=14d
PS. this is why the number of new cases has not kept going down.
| This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 15:31
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Geneva
Posts: 565
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 562 Times in 252 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
Bundesrat press conference at 3:45 p.m. today. Some announcement regarding ski facilities expected.
| 
04.12.2020, 15:59
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: May 2017 Location: Zurich
Posts: 703
Groaned at 62 Times in 41 Posts
Thanked 1,590 Times in 614 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
The BAG just updated its list of "high-risk countries" and the US is back on the list: https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...nreisende.html | The following 4 users would like to thank terrifisch for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 17:09
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: LaCote
Posts: 733
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,285 Times in 485 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Bundesrat press conference at 3:45 p.m. today. Some announcement regarding ski facilities expected. | | | | | Nothing new really
"Customers per square meter in the store
The Federal Council now only allows 1 customer per 10 square meters in shops. It used to be 1 customer per 4 square meters. In small shops with up to 30m2 shop space, 5m2 per customer applies"
"We expect strict measures from the cantons"
It is now up to the cantons to take the necessary measures. "We expect strict measures from the cantons," said Berset. Otherwise, the Federal Council could enact cantonal or even regional measures."
Homeoffice & the limiting of social contacts remain as recommendations. https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...e-276065545009
"The winter sports resorts were not the main topic for the Federal Council today, according to Federal Councilor Berset"
| 
04.12.2020, 17:19
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ausserschwyz
Posts: 1,109
Groaned at 33 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 2,125 Times in 821 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus
Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.
With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.
And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect.
| The following 2 users would like to thank komsomolez for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 18:03
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Frick, Aargau
Posts: 1,561
Groaned at 34 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 2,122 Times in 1,058 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.
With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.
And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect. | | | | | Kind of pointless - if you are going to force their hand you might as well just do it yourself. Just means a wasted week.
| The following 4 users would like to thank HickvonFrick for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 18:07
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,279
Groaned at 161 Times in 140 Posts
Thanked 7,439 Times in 3,407 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.
With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.
And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect. | | | | | Yet again still pointing fingers at each other instead of actually doing something.
| This user would like to thank baboon for this useful post: | | 
04.12.2020, 18:11
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: LaCote
Posts: 733
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 1,285 Times in 485 Posts
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Kind of pointless - if you are going to force their hand you might as well just do it yourself. Just means a wasted week. | | | | | The pressconference sounded like repeat of october, lets wait & see....
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 12 (4 members and 8 guests) | axman, TinyK | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:28. | |