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In both cases you are a bit behind the curve. The point is - and where the BR have failed badly - to anticipate those changes. If you watched the trends, it was obvious a couple of weeks ago or more that the headline number was driven only by the French cantons and that the German cantons were failing. This already should have been the trigger for immediate action.

Likewise it was obvious by end August/early September that we were heading in a bad direction, introducing then the measures we have now probably would have been enough to keep things under control - but the BR were only prepared to see what they wanted to see.
I'd have put in restrictions starting from about last weekend. That'd be enough to ensure the curve is more or less on a continual decrease.

Aren't most of the French side opening up again? They are still no better off than the German side taken as a whole on new cases - so that would seem to be premature.

Admittedly there's a bigger herd effect on the French side now. Geneva has had 8% of the population actually diagnosed - so the real number of infections must be very considerable. No German kanton has reached even half that number
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Old 04.12.2020, 10:54
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Admittedly there's a bigger herd effect on the French side now. Geneva has had 8% of the population actually diagnosed.
For herd immunity you need in excess of 90% of the population to be immune. With measles it’s something like 96%.

And Geneva has an unusual population which grows by 85k every workday morning and declines by the same amount every evening. Give or take ...
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WE WERE WARNED ABOUT EXCHANGING OUR LIBERTIES FOR THE ILLUSION OF SECURITY

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Old 04.12.2020, 11:30
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For herd immunity you need in excess of 90% of the population to be immune. With measles it’s something like 96%.

And Geneva has an unusual population which grows by 85k every workday morning and declines by the same amount every evening. Give or take ...
For this disease it won't be that high - Measles natural R is about 15, COVID maybe 3-4.

And I said herd effect, not herd immunity. Nobody is claiming we are near herd immunity. At least not me.

If Geneva has say, 25% of its population already infected, R will be (approximately) 25% lower than it would otherwise have been. Obviously its a bit more complicated than that (frontaliers, the occasional reinfection) - but the general principle applies.
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For this disease it won't be that high - Measles natural R is about 15, COVID maybe 3-4.

And I said herd effect, not herd immunity. Nobody is claiming we are near herd immunity. At least not me.

If Geneva has say, 25% of its population already infected, R will be (approximately) 25% lower than it would otherwise have been. Obviously its a bit more complicated than that (frontaliers, the occasional reinfection) - but the general principle applies.
I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders.
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Old 04.12.2020, 13:05
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays numbers are 4382 out of 27 k tests

199 hospitalisations
101 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview
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Old 04.12.2020, 13:06
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I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders.
I think the issue it's not coming from across the border but the scarce social distance during commuting. If the commute where in similar conditions inside CH, there would be similar problems.
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:13
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Todays numbers are 4382
I believe this is the first time for a few weeks we have an increase over the previous week. Fully expected but still sad to see that milestone passed.
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:19
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I suspect that the majority of infections come from across the border. It doesn't help that so many of the medical staff are frontaliers. And they are NOT going to close the borders.
Or as the infection rate in Genf is roughly twice the average for France perhaps infections are actually moving in the other direction.
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:25
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Or as the infection rate in Genf is roughly twice the average for France perhaps infections are actually moving in the other direction.
The French press has reported this. French officials were blaming the Swiss for keeping things open, relatively speaking, and requiring cross border work, etc.
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:39
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Graubunden willing to do mass testing for covid19......in order to save ski season https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/first-s...sting/46203826
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Old 04.12.2020, 14:55
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...and the Corograben is gone. Lab confirmed cases per 100k people in the last 14 days:

FR: 518 VS: 522 GE: 555 VD: 602 NE: 630

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LU: 524 ZH: 584 TG: 587 SO: 592 GR: 608 AG: 621 BL: 647 SG: 803

Full map here from Swiss Federal Health Office: https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/deta...hy?detTime=14d

PS. this is why the number of new cases has not kept going down.
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Bundesrat press conference at 3:45 p.m. today. Some announcement regarding ski facilities expected.
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Re: Coronavirus

The BAG just updated its list of "high-risk countries" and the US is back on the list:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...nreisende.html
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Old 04.12.2020, 17:09
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Bundesrat press conference at 3:45 p.m. today. Some announcement regarding ski facilities expected.
Nothing new really

"Customers per square meter in the store
The Federal Council now only allows 1 customer per 10 square meters in shops. It used to be 1 customer per 4 square meters. In small shops with up to 30m2 shop space, 5m2 per customer applies"

"We expect strict measures from the cantons"
It is now up to the cantons to take the necessary measures. "We expect strict measures from the cantons," said Berset. Otherwise, the Federal Council could enact cantonal or even regional measures."

Homeoffice & the limiting of social contacts remain as recommendations.

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...e-276065545009

"The winter sports resorts were not the main topic for the Federal Council today, according to Federal Councilor Berset"
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Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.

With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.

And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect.
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Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.

With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.

And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect.
Kind of pointless - if you are going to force their hand you might as well just do it yourself. Just means a wasted week.
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Just read the ticker. Sounds like the expect all cantons above R = 1 to tighten the screws or Federal Council will do it for them by the 11th. Which then probably means that restaurants close.

With the latest (and still lagging data) from ETHZ, essentially all cantons in the German part plus Ticino are above 1.

And yes, the square meters and the recommendation for two households to meets will probably have zero effect.
Yet again still pointing fingers at each other instead of actually doing something.
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Kind of pointless - if you are going to force their hand you might as well just do it yourself. Just means a wasted week.
The pressconference sounded like repeat of october, lets wait & see....
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