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Switzerland will authorize COVID-19 vaccines in January. Then they plan to start vaccinating 70,000 people per day. By the summer, 6 million people in the country will be vaccinated.
So they're expecting that 60 to 70% of the population will want to be vaccinated, within six or seven months from the official first release of a brand new vaccine? Doesn't that seem like an unlikely high proportion?

If I recall correctly, on this forum so far I think I've seen only one user say that he/she would defintely choose to be vaccinated, so that a visit to the much-missed mother, abroad, would become possible. (EDIT: I can understand how that could be a major motivater.) Or are there more?

In Real Life, I've also met only one other person who would agree to getting this done. The rest form a great chorus of "Wait And See", and "It's Too Soon".

In particular, from those who work within essential services, such as firemen and nurses, and teachers and parents, I've heard the following reasoning repeatedly: they couldn't ethically allow themselves to be amongst the first batches of guinea pigs, because too many people depend upon their work for them to risk becoming ill. In other words, they deem the risk greater that they would become ill from a relatively untested vaccine than from Covid itself.

Do people think that the goal set by the BAG is reasonable and can be achieved?

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Old 06.12.2020, 11:18
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So they're expecting that 60 to 70% of the population will want to be vaccinated, within six or seven months from the official first release of a brand new vaccine? Doesn't that seem like an unlikely high proportion?

If I recall correctly, on this forum so far I think I've seen only one user say that he/she would defintely choose to be vaccinated, so that a visit to the much-missed mother, abroad, would become possible. Or are there more?

In Real Life, I've also met only one other person who would agree to getting this done. The rest form a great chorus of "Wait And See", and "It's Too Soon".

In particular, from those who work within essential services, such as firemen and nurses, and teachers and parents, I've heard the following reasoning repeatedly: they couldn't ethically allow themselves to be amongst the first batches of guinea pigs, because too many people depend upon their work for them to risk becoming ill. In other words, they deem the risk greater that they would become ill from a relatively untested vaccine than from Covid itself.

Do people think that the goal set by the BAG is reasonable and can be achieved?
I don't think there will be a problem with people wanting the vaccine, the people you deal with are more intelligent than average sheep.
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Saw this in my Facebook feed this morning:-
"Most of my friends in 2019 - GMO food BAD! 🤬
Most of my friends in 2020 - GMO vaccine? Hook that shit to my veins, stat!! 😃👍
Never mind that an mRNA vaccine has NEVER been attempted on humans before because of the high potential for auto-immune response issues leading to death 😅😅😅 "Just pump me full of it and don't stop until the syringe is empty!"
Good luck with that. You can have my doses as I won't be taking them. Just doing my bit to help protect YOU, so that I can get back to normality 🥰🥰🥰 You'll be vaccinated and protected, so no worries."
noone calculated real IFR from Covid19 vs. anti-covid19 vaccine. splitted by age groups. it might be big surprise
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Old 06.12.2020, 11:29
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I see that, over here, there's a whole thread about vaccination, https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...l-you-get.html

Perhaps these past few posts (from MajorGrubert's post at Today, 09:27, and following) should have been over there. Could a mod please consider moving them? Thanks.
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...l-you-get.html
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Old 06.12.2020, 11:40
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If I recall correctly, on this forum so far I think I've seen only one user say that he/she would defintely choose to be vaccinated, so that a visit to the much-missed mother, abroad, would become possible. (EDIT: I can understand how that could be a major motivater.) Or are there more?
The poll in the other thread had 48% definitely getting it and another 19% probably. So in this case you don't recall correctly!
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Never mind that an mRNA vaccine has NEVER been attempted on humans before because of the high potential for auto-immune response issues leading to death 😅😅😅
A theory that is in no way harmed by the fact that at least 40,000 people have now received a Covid mRNA vaccine without a single one dying from it.
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Old 06.12.2020, 11:48
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Medical staff and front line workers come first. Then I’m going to play the at risk card. Hey I’d take all four (or more) of the vaccines. I’m a T1 diabetic, needles don’t scare me, nor does injecting GMO Insulin multiple times a day. Before that I was injecting pork and beef insulin!
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A theory that is in no way harmed by the fact that at least 40,000 people have now received a Covid mRNA vaccine without a single one dying from it.
Are you sure? Provably died from COVID! I thought a small percentage of issues gets ignored.
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I don't think there will be a problem with people wanting the vaccine, the people you deal with are more intelligent than average sheep.
All Anti-Vaxxers Ive met are in the exactly same people who are in Trump supporters, climate change deniers and in "whole covid is conspiracy to get the power to Bill Gates" groups so would not call them exactly sharpest pencils in the drawer. Then again, I think its good to talk about vaccines in the group so at least they reveal themselves. Concerning part is that they spread their fear and misinformation extremely actively and might be therefore able to recruit bigger portion of population to hesitate as well.
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Old 06.12.2020, 12:18
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I see that, over here, there's a whole thread about vaccination, https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...l-you-get.html

Perhaps these past few posts (from MajorGrubert's post at Today, 09:27, and following) should have been over there. Could a mod please consider moving them? Thanks.
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...l-you-get.html
I actually think MajorGrubert’s post is appropriate for this thread but maybe it could be duplicated over there?
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Old 06.12.2020, 12:26
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All Anti-Vaxxers Ive met are in the exactly same people who are in Trump supporters, climate change deniers and in "whole covid is conspiracy to get the power to Bill Gates" groups so would not call them exactly sharpest pencils in the drawer.
Pigeon-holing people is not something that sharpest pencils do.
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Old 06.12.2020, 12:38
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It would be dangerous to assume that this one case of myelitis should be attributed to the vaccine. The woman could have been suffering from the disease already or contracted it completely independently of the vaccine.
To be honest, I think it would be more dangerous to assume that there is no correlation simply because we don't want there to be. The woman was a perfectly healthy 37-year old prior to receiving the vaccine. And even the NIH and the FDA expressed concerns:

NIH ‘Very Concerned’ About Serious Side Effect in Coronavirus Vaccine Trial
https://khn.org/news/nih-and-fda-exa...vaccine-trial/

So while of course this is not to imply that people should not get vaccinated, I think it is an example of the fact that we do need to be extremely careful in regard to what we allow such a huge percentage of the population to be inoculated with.
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Pigeon-holing people is not something that sharpest pencils do.
True. But I do struggle to understand those people that depend on social media for their 'science'. Measles, Mumps and Rubella could have been eliminated by now had people listened to their Doctors.

I know some people who won't have the flu jab, because the internet has told them there are 'heavy metals' in the vaccine. Two minutes searching shows you that there are no heavy metals, the only metal being aluminium (which serves to reduce the dosage size). One minute search tells me
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I think I'm a fairly sharp pencil, I don't automatically believe everything I see on the internet. Snopes can be your friend.
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To be honest, I think it would be more dangerous to assume that there is no correlation simply because we don't want there to be. The woman was a perfectly healthy 37-year old prior to receiving the vaccine. And even the NIH and the FDA expressed concerns:

NIH ‘Very Concerned’ About Serious Side Effect in Coronavirus Vaccine Trial
https://khn.org/news/nih-and-fda-exa...vaccine-trial/

So while of course this is not to imply that people should not get vaccinated, I think it is an example of the fact that we do need to be extremely careful in regard to what we allow such a huge percentage of the population to be inoculated with.
Well, I death in a million from having a vaccination is regrettable, but still a lot better than the numbers that will die from the disease.
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I actually think MajorGrubert’s post is appropriate for this thread but maybe it could be duplicated over there?
Thanks for the suggestion - Done!
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I know some people who won't have the flu jab, because the internet has told them there are 'heavy metals' in the vaccine.
I don't. Maybe I am lucky, maybe simply people around me either don't need that jab or don't care about some mystery online info, but then again we can campaign about many things on the pretext of "but there are some grazies out there who...".

I personally think by the time the vax arrives which looks like anything around 2 months, gov will figure out something and we will also know more.

To try to campaign pro or against now feels premature and I mainly see it only in media, it creates buzz and rating. I think to ponder about it is good, I think to witch-hunt people preventatively (because they happen to be more sceptical) or create panic is useless.

I am glad that a health issue gains attention, tbh, instead of being treated behind closed doors but it seems to me that we need to focus on other life stuffs as well, also to create a bit of distance.
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How many anti-viral vaccines do we know that develop life-long immunity? Very very few. If AIDS vaccine would provide short-term protection only and would require re-vaccination it will be an epid. disaster. Knowing very well the epid. situation and attitudes towards AIDS treatments in a developing World I don't have high expectations from the vaccine effectiveness if it is does not provide life-long protection from infection.
There are indeed very few(if any) current vaccines which confer lifelong immunity. The measles vaccine is probably the closest we’ve got at the moment and if we had sufficient uptake we could probably pretty much eradicate measles as we did with smallpox but I doubt we’ll ever get to that point.
Most vaccines require boosters at some point, something that a lot of people don’t think about.
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Yesterday Alain Berset and Simonetta Sommaruga met via video conference with six cantons (SG, TH, AR, BL, SO and AG).

The Bundesrat will take stock of the situation Tuesday and announce any new measures Thursday.

The Federal/cantonal staredown continues...

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/berne-...n-951918672991
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Are you sure? Provably died from COVID! I thought a small percentage of issues gets ignored.
There was one reported death across all the tests, a suicide in Brazil. Not sure if that was someone who had the covid vaccine or the placebo (think I possibly read the latter). The case referred to in earlier posts wasn't fatal.

In all 3 tests I've followed (the main 3 and as far as possible with publically available data), the few that actually contracted Covid did not develop severe symptoms.
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To be honest, I think it would be more dangerous to assume that there is no correlation simply because we don't want there to be. The woman was a perfectly healthy 37-year old prior to receiving the vaccine. And even the NIH and the FDA expressed concerns:

NIH ‘Very Concerned’ About Serious Side Effect in Coronavirus Vaccine Trial
https://khn.org/news/nih-and-fda-exa...vaccine-trial/

So while of course this is not to imply that people should not get vaccinated, I think it is an example of the fact that we do need to be extremely careful in regard to what we allow such a huge percentage of the population to be inoculated with.
However that article was almost 3 months ago and the fact is the trial was allowed to resume a few days later after review.
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