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So far so good! I’m managing to contain the virus by staying positive and away from crowds I will even go to ski slopes during the week to avoid the crowds on weekends. Home office should be administered by almighty Top Managements as a preventive method!
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Coronavirus in Europe: epidemic or 'infodemic'? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51658511
I wanted to come back to this after seeing some more stats today. I think infodemic is pretty accurate.

News outlets are practically salivating over the 100k mark of confirmed cases probably hitting this weekend. Nearly every article uses the larger number of diagnosed cases as opposed to active cases, and I think it helps to stir the panic of the public.

If we look at the various statistics, more than 54k of the current 98k are considered recovered. The number of active cases is "only" about 40k. But that's boring and won't generate clicks, so it's not really mentioned.

I think someone mentioned this earlier - Is there a site showing how many people have been tested and found to be negative compared to positive? I'm not talking about those that tested negative at first only to test positive later.
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Remember that thread I started for other countries? I posted 3 links at the beginning of that.
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Old 05.03.2020, 22:48
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........ Get some food and be prepared. I wont say how much this time but be in your own definition prepared. But also, why on earth would you wait for everyone else to panic before you do?
Because panicking is the absolute most counterproductive thing to do and telling people to panic is irresponsible and dumb.

Don't buy food as if there was no tomorrow ('cause if there isn't you won't need it ). Buy normal two week's worth and make sure you got the basics.
If you empty the shelvess in the store in panic you a) take it from everybody else and b) most likely will throw it away and c) most likely are the cause of a shortage, not the situation itself.
The main reason to do this shopping is that you could be "locked up" in your flat for two weeks from one moment to the next. Although we might want to remember there is coop@home and LeShop etc. etc.

Do.not.panic. is the main thing. If people around you do,khelp them calm down.
Be prepared to sacrifice a little .... no live football-games, no birthday party, no rock-concert ............. no one night stands.
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Old 05.03.2020, 22:53
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......If we look at the various statistics, more than 54k of the current 98k are considered recovered. .....
I also wonder: If I've had it, can I get it again? Or can I offer my help in situations of crisis because I'm immune? Any information on that?
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I wanted to come back to this after seeing some more stats today. I think infodemic is pretty accurate.

News outlets are practically salivating over the 100k mark of confirmed cases probably hitting this weekend. Nearly every article uses the larger number of diagnosed cases as opposed to active cases, and I think it helps to stir the panic of the public.

If we look at the various statistics, more than 54k of the current 98k are considered recovered. The number of active cases is "only" about 40k. But that's boring and won't generate clicks, so it's not really mentioned.

I think someone mentioned this earlier - Is there a site showing how many people have been tested and found to be negative compared to positive? I'm not talking about those that tested negative at first only to test positive later.
Many countries don't publish how many they test in total. And of some countries there is still strong doubt about the numbers, Nobody believes Indonesia only having 2, Iran is still perceived to be heavily underreporting, and who believes Turkey being Coronafree.. and when the numbers only grew in China it still sort of was a "far from my bed show" and China also has the problem that many people don't trust the numbers. But now countries that are trusted with their reports like Germany, Italy, South Korea show roaring numbers, and many others like Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway and Belgium whom all sort of recently joined the statistics start showing serious growth in statistics and all are expected to keep on growing for the next days at least People more and more feel like "where on earth will this end" and shit really seems to be on.

The 100K is just some symbolical line but will give a lot of people a sense of "Wow this is huge" would be nice if press would be more calm and more stick to the facts, on the other hand people want sensation which is why 20min and the Sun do so well.
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I also wonder: If I've had it, can I get it again? Or can I offer my help in situations of crisis because I'm immune? Any information on that?
Several cases confirmed whom where deemed recovered whom got it again, it is not certain if they really got it again due to lack of antibodies, mutation of the virus or if the virus in their body was dormant for some time.

Current point of view is: Yes you can get it again.
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Old 05.03.2020, 23:09
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Current point of view is: Yes you can get it again.
It did mutate, there are now two streams, L and S. One can catch both.
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Old 05.03.2020, 23:21
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So I gather you didn't take the time to read my post Edwin??
With respect, the site link you posted on 3 March was first posted by Tom on 27 Feb...
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3152017

I bookmarked the link he gave and posted it twice in this thread on 29 Feb in response to other people's posts...
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3152537
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3152702

*It's not a competition. It's about sharing information.*

Conde Nast are collating a list of legitimate Government and news agency sources, and I've seen them reject a few of the sites I've seen linked around this forum because they can't find out exactly who is updating their stats and that concerns them. This is the list they currently have and it covers many languages and areas of the World, which might be helpful to EF members who want access to that information in their mother tongue.

https://medium.com/@wolfgangblau/inf...s-67cc99b6d94a
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Old 05.03.2020, 23:26
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Be prepared to sacrifice a little .... no live football-games, no birthday party, no rock-concert ............. no one night stands.
@ no one night stands.
We're booked to go to our nephew's wedding in London on 8 May. Family and friends are flying in from all over the World. The bride is a doctor along with many of the guests. Hmmm...
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I think someone mentioned this earlier - Is there a site showing how many people have been tested and found to be negative compared to positive? I'm not talking about those that tested negative at first only to test positive later.
This one has the data for some countries
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...id-19-testing/

Most countries are still only testing people with foreign contact, and ignore potential community transmission cases. This is exactly what happened in the early days in Wuhan, no testing, no confirm cases, no treatment in hospital, more infected.
The only countries that is doing mass testing is South Korea, they tested 109k on March, 2nd and got 4335 confirmed cases, that's 4% positive rate.
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The only countries that is doing mass testing is South Korea, they tested 109k on March, 2nd and got 4335 confirmed cases, that's 4% positive rate.
Thanks. I find that really interesting. Just done a search and found these about it... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...virus-outbreak

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...-testing-gives
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Re: Coronavirus

https://nextstrain.org/narratives/nc...rep/2020-03-04

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Executive summary

Using 161 publicly shared COVID-19 genomes, we examined genetic diversity to characterize the spread of COVID-19 in different areas and infer the date of their common ancestor.

We find:

COVID-19 was introduced into Italy at least twice with subsequent community spread (go to this).
This includes a cluster of sequences from 6 different countries where cases appear to have been exported from Italy (go to this).
Genetic sequence data supports the hypothesis of undetected, sustained spread of COVID-19 in the greater Seattle area since mid-January (go to this).
All the sequenced cases included in this analysis likely share a common ancestor sometime between mid-November and mid-December 2019. (go to this).


Explore the content by scrolling the left hand side (or click on the arrows), and the data visualizations will change accordingly. Clicking "explore the data yourself" (top right of page) will replace this narrative with a set of controls so that you may interact with the data.
Genomic analysis of COVID-19 spread. Situation report 2020-03-04.
Author: Trevor Bedford, Richard Neher, James Hadfield, Emma Hodcroft, Misja Ilcisin, Nicola Müller 1

1 Fred Hutch, Seattle, USA and Biozentrum, Basel, Switzerland
Created: 2020 March 04
This report uses publicly shared COVID-19 genomic data from GISAID and Genbank to estimate rates and patterns of viral epidemic spread. We plan to issue updated situation reports as new data is produced and shared. This website is optimized for display on desktop browsers.

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From the Telegraph, using presumably WHO figures: https://i.imgur.com/RIomOJd.png

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Authorities now say one should not sneeze at all . They recommend holding it even though there is a risk of your head exploding ( collateral damage ). Which probably would explain that there are alot of people these days walking around without a head on their shoulders!

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I also wonder: If I've had it, can I get it again? Or can I offer my help in situations of crisis because I'm immune? Any information on that?
You can catch it again, but probably not immediately. If it becomes part of the viruses that circulate regularly around the human population, then you'll probably catch it several times during your life. The upside is, if that does happen, it'll lose its lethality anyway. The most successful viruses don't kill their hosts. Corpses don't sneeze.

If you do catch it, does anyone know how long it takes to recover?

Edit: from here https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2020022719004 Mild form maybe you'll recover after a few days.
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The good news is that even older patients with chronic conditions can recover from this flu. I just read about someone from back home who recently visited Italy for a lymphatic cancer treatment and came back home sick with this virus (the irony ). He's been taken care in the hospital now, but doctors say he has very mild symptoms at the moment. He was very proactive though, as soon as he got home asked his wife to prepare a separate room for him, didn't get in contact with other people and called and went to hospital only when the symptoms were worrying them.
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The good news is that even older patients with chronic conditions can recover from this flu. I just read about someone from back home who recently visited Italy for a lymphatic cancer treatment and came back home sick with this virus (the irony ). He's been taken care in the hospital now, but doctors say he has very mild symptoms now. He was very proactive though, as soon as he hot home asked his way to prepare a separate room for him, didn't get in contact with other people and called and went to hospital only when the symptoms were worrying them.
Of course. Its like the Flu. A very small percentage die from it. But they turn it into something more. Thats good business for some people. THese people should burn in hell
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Of course. Its like the Flu. A very small percentage die from it. But they turn it into something more. Thats good business for some people. THese people should burn in hell
Do you really think governments and airlines are profiting by grounding flights?
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Do you really think governments and airlines are profiting by grounding flights?
Im talking about private sellers of things like antiseptic lotions etc. On ricardo and tutti and amazon with really crazy prices.
These are the real parasites
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Do you really think governments and airlines are profiting by grounding flights?
Airlines will likely go bankrupt, which is fairly common as Airlines have historically destroyed shareholders capital since 1908
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