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Hmmm - you work in pharma am I correct? "Customer facing" can be a rather broad definition in our industry. The only people who should be in the office right now in our industry are lab workers, certain members of the supply chain, a small number of IT staff & people who maintain the site.

You really should not be insisting your employees come into the office just because you think it is the right thing to do. A leader should think of the needs of the staff and not just their own. I am very grateful that my boss does - he continues to go into the office, but respects my need to stay home.
Well in my office the other two have said they aren't coming in so I feel quite happy doing so. The place was dead even in the summer.
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers are 5086 out of 34 k tests

190 hospitalisations
87 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
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But as expected, people in this thread throw judgments without even knowing any sort of details and purely based on who posts.
Then perhaps you should not just say that you "insist your staff comes into the office" without providing more context? Many of us here have had to deal with bosses like that and it is a sensitive trigger point.
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Old 09.12.2020, 12:55
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Then perhaps you should not just say that you "insist your staff comes into the office" without providing more context? Many of us here have had to deal with bosses like that and it is a sensitive trigger point.
Of course I do. Leaders set the pace especially when people are annoyed, tired, scared and frustrated. I've always believed in setting a personal example and I see no reason to change my behavior on that front. In this thread context has long become irrelevant. What's relevant is who posts.
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Of course I do. Leaders set the pace especially when people are annoyed, tired, scared and frustrated. I've always believed in setting a personal example and I see no reason to change my behavior on that front. In this thread context has long become irrelevant. What's relevant is who posts.
If you want to go into the office, that is perfectly fine, but insisting that others do because you do, is not.

Edit: I feel you are being a bit sensitive carried over from the Mod post - kindly note, I have no issue with you and have already said so.
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Not good... Some are saying that this "epidemic" is analogous to SARS...

https://www.ccn.com/china-virologist...inment-missed/
Woah, looking back at this first post, what a ride it has been since then. Apart from the many restrictions, widespread loss of life/long-term health problems and financial consequences, the most difficult thing for me was the stark realisation of how many stupid, selfish and callous people with absolutely zero common sense there are. Some of these were acquaintances and the funny thing is that there was a strong correlation between it never really becoming a friendship because I never really trusted them and that person belonging to the group that spread misinformation and refused to comply with recommendations or even outright flaunted the rules. So now I have fewer acquaintances but that is fine.

Fast forward to yesterday and my cousin who works as a geriatric consultant in the NHS in Wales told us that he was among the first people to get the new vaccine. I felt surprisingly emotional hearing about it and it brought to mind the words of the great Sir Winston Churchill: Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

I look forward to not only regaining our multiple contacts-based freedoms and people being able to get back to making a livelihood in all industries but also to not being reminded on a daily basis just how many selfish morons there are; the inability/refusal to wear a mask properly where it is mandatory to do so being the marker thereof.

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I look forward to not only regaining our multiple contacts-based freedoms and people being able to get back to making a livelihood in all industries but also to not being reminded on a daily basis just how many selfish morons there are; the inability/refusal to wear a mask properly where it is mandatory to do so being the marker thereof.
I wish I could give you more greens, but the system won't let me.

I felt very emotional too when I saw the first lady given the vaccine yesterday and how she couldn't wait to see her family after being alone for one year. I am hoping we can be back in our lives soon. Happy for your cousin! All the best.
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Why not let people choose? Switzerland relies on people making their own decisions.
Because this is a public health crisis that is overloading the healthcare system and negatively impacting if not destroying people's livelihoods and therefore demands a coordinated and consistent response?
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At least when I did it (3 times by now) you can cheat on the documents, but they always asked for my insurance card and a phone number (you get the results via SMS)

Why would you want to avoid giving an ID btw? I truly don't believe there's anything sinister in terms of data sharing going on. You certainly enter a statistic as a number, but I don't think anything more happens
How I understood it, you only receive SMS in case if negative test. And in case of positive result your will be contacted by contact tracing office, who will order you to isolate and will be following up your case during isolation.
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Old 09.12.2020, 13:07
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How I understood it, you only receive SMS in case if negative test. And in case of positive result your will be contacted by contact tracing office, who will order you to isolate and will be following up your case during isolation.
Ah, this I wasn't aware of as I've had only negative so far, but this would make sense and yes, if you're positive or have symptoms, stay the f%^k home is the most friendly way to say it
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Old 09.12.2020, 13:17
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How I understood it, you only receive SMS in case if negative test. And in case of positive result your will be contacted by contact tracing office, who will order you to isolate and will be following up your case during isolation.
Contact tracing office is overwhelmed, I know people who self-isolated after calling their doctor because they never received a call from them. So seriously, don't count on that. If someone from your immediate circle has been detected positive for corona test, just call your family doctor or similar, depending on your health insurance.
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Old 09.12.2020, 13:27
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Bad news from the Eastern European Front - cases again rising in CZ, looks like 3rd wave after mere 2wks of a break. At the same time the measures have not changed so much nor fast, either. People are really really tired.
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Old 09.12.2020, 13:42
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Do we let people decide on what speed to drive?
A speed limit is not a true analogy. The comparative question is “do we let people decide to drive or not?”

The speed limit is always there like shop and gym opening times and other regulations...
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"The number of new infections is rising again. Experts from the Federal Office of Public Health (BAG), the Covid-19 task force and representatives of the authorities give their assessment of the current development of the situation."

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"The intensive care units are currently around three quarters full, with half of the patients suffering from Covid-19. There is still capacity, says Mathys, but the situation could quickly become critical.

Mathys comes back to the “Mental Health Action Day”. The pandemic is a great psychological burden for many. With tomorrow's day of action, the BAG also wants to call for greater attention to be paid to mental health in the pandemic. "Help begins in the personal environment: it's about addressing people when you have the feeling that they are suffering," says Mathys. You can also get help from outside, for example from Dargebotene Hand or Pro Juventute."


https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/das-...em-bleibt-hoch


"Martin Ackermann, President, National COVID-19 Science Task Force, speaks about developments over the past two weeks. "After a decline since October, the reproduction rate is currently back at 1. We are threatened with exponential growth," said Ackermann. He praises French-speaking Switzerland, which has reduced the number of cases with additional measures.

"Now the reproduction rate in Switzerland is rising to over 1 almost everywhere. And those are the numbers from the beginning of December," says Ackermann. Only in Geneva is the number of reproductions currently significantly below 1."

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-la...e-980869855622
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Re: Coronavirus

UAE says Chinese vaccine 86% effective, offers few details

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Not to be mistaken with Sinovac.
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Old 09.12.2020, 15:10
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Re: Coronavirus

I don't think it's been mentioned here. There was an extraordinary Bundesrat meeting yesterday, where they announced a recommendation for the canton's consultation. Original in German with my own translation:

Weitergehende Massnahmen: Konsultation gestartet
Verschiedenen Kantone haben in den letzten Tagen Massnahmen getroffen oder angekündigt. Der Bundesrat will diese vereinheitlichen und verstärken. Er will deshalb an seiner Sitzung vom 11. Dezember weitergehende Massnahmen beschliessen, die ab Samstag, 12. Dezember und bis am 20. Januar 2021 gelten sollen. Er unterbreitet den Kantonen in einer Konsultation folgende Vorschläge:

- Gastrobetriebe, Einkaufsläden und Märkte, Freizeitbetriebe und Sportaktivitäten müssen um 19 Uhr schliessen und bleiben sonntags geschlossen.
- Für private Veranstaltungen gilt eine maximale Zahl von 5 Personen aus zwei Haushalten. Ausgenommen sind Feiern bis 10 Personen vom 24. bis 26. Dezember sowie am 31. Dezember.
- Öffentliche Veranstaltungen werden mit Ausnahme von religiösen Feiern sowie Versammlungen von Legislativen verboten.
- Jegliche Aktivitäten im Kulturbereich (inklusive schulische Aktivitäten) werden untersagt. Veranstaltungen im professionellen Bereich mit Publikum werden verboten, ausgenommen sind online übertragene Veranstaltungen ohne Publikum.

Sollte sich die Lage in der nächsten Woche weiter verschlechtern, plant der Bundesrat an seiner Sitzung vom 18. Dezember weitergehende Massnahmen zu beschliessen, etwa die Schliessung von Gastrobetrieben und Läden.

Further measures: consultation started
Various cantons have taken or announced measures in the past few days. The Federal Council wants to standardize and strengthen them. At its meeting on December 11th, it wants to adopt further measures that should be applied from Saturday, December 12th until January 20th, 2021. It makes the following proposals to the cantons:

- Restaurants, shops and markets, leisure facilities and sports activities must close at 7 PM and remain closed on Sundays
- A maximum number of 5 people from two households applies to private events. Exceptions are celebrations for up to 10 people from December 24th to 26th and on December 31st
- Public events are forbidden, with the exception of religious celebrations and legislative meetings
- All cultural activities (including those organized by schools) are forbidden. Events with an audience are forbidden, with the exception of events broadcast online without an audience

If the situation worsen in the coming week, the Bundesrat plans to adopt further measures at its meeting on December 18, such as the closure of restaurants and shops.
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Old 09.12.2020, 15:18
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NHS told not to give Pfizer vaccine to those with a history of allergic reactions after two health workers suffered severe reactions.
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Re: Coronavirus

Making all the shops close early would appear to be a stupid idea. Who thought of that one?

People will still need to buy food and all those that buy it after work have a much smaller window in which to do their shopping so there will be more people in the shops when they are open.

Even when working from home, many people will still need to work core hours.


I don't understand the reasoning behind that one,
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Further measures: consultation started
Various cantons have taken or announced measures in the past few days. The Federal Council wants to standardize and strengthen them. At its meeting on December 11th, it wants to adopt further measures that should be applied from Saturday, December 12th until January 20th, 2021. It makes the following proposals to the cantons:

- Restaurants, shops and markets, leisure facilities and sports activities must close at 7 PM and remain closed on Sundays
- A maximum number of 5 people from two households applies to private events. Exceptions are celebrations for up to 10 people from December 24th to 26th and on December 31st
- Public events are forbidden, with the exception of religious celebrations and legislative meetings
- All cultural activities (including those organized by schools) are forbidden. Events with an audience are forbidden, with the exception of events broadcast online without an audience

If the situation worsen in the coming week, the Bundesrat plans to adopt further measures at its meeting on December 18, such as the closure of restaurants and shops.
My understanding is that this is the stick they'll use if the cantons don't introduce their own measures. It also means that for places like gyms which are currently open until 2230 or 2300, they'll now be closing at 1900 meaning there'll be a higher density of people in them for the times they're open. Or they start making you book a slot.
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At least when I did it (3 times by now) you can cheat on the documents, but they always asked for my insurance card and a phone number (you get the results via SMS)

Why would you want to avoid giving an ID btw? I truly don't believe there's anything sinister in terms of data sharing going on. You certainly enter a statistic as a number, but I don't think anything more happens
I would rather not give my ID for a personal reason. Not afraid of anything sinister just on this one occasion would rather not...

Is it possible? I don't mind giving a mobile number and if I have to pay that is fine.
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