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Old 10.12.2020, 17:47
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Life-years lost (on a daily basis) would be waaaaay behind 9/11. Not only because most 9/11 direct victims were of working age, but because the dust killed a large number of people in the forthcoming years.

9/11 on a daily basis this isn't.
It must be exhausting, lugging those enormous goalposts around.

Who mentioned "life-years lost"? And are you really trying to tell us that nearly 300,000 deaths due to COVID-19 are nowhere near as bad as 1% of that number, plus indeed some subsequent deaths, due to 9/11? And note that the list is of lives lost to some catastrophe in a single day, not over decades following an event.
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Old 10.12.2020, 18:07
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So this is a statistical rather than medical analysis. It shows that "life expectancy at birth" in the US this year is >1 year shorter than last year. Of course, the concept of LEB presumes current mortality rates to exist for the lifetime of the person born now, so this is theoretical. It does illustrate the massive increase in mortality this year due to Covid though.

Covid-19 Will Reduce US Life Expectancy at Birth by More Than One Year in 2020

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On December 3rd, 2020, the cumulative number of U.S. Covid-19 deaths tallied by Johns Hopkins University (JHU) online dashboard reached 275,000, surpassing the number at which life table calculations show Covid-19 mortality will lower the U.S. life expectancy at birth (LEB) for 2020 by one full year. Such an impact on the U.S. LEB is unprecedented since the end of World War II. With additional deaths by the year end, the reduction in 2020 LEB induced by Covid-19 deaths will inexorably exceed one year. Factoring the expected continuation of secular gains against other causes of mortality, the U.S. LEB should still drop by more than a full year between 2019 and 2020. By comparison, the opioid-overdose crisis led to a decline in U.S. LEB averaging .1 year annually, from 78.9 years in 2014 to 78.6 years in 2017. At its peak, the HIV epidemic reduced the U.S. LEB by .3 year in a single year, from 75.8 years in 1992 to 75.5 years in 1993. As of now, the US LEB is expected to fall back to the level it first reached in 2010. In other words, the impact of Covid-19 on U.S. mortality can be expected to cancel a decade of gains against all other causes of mortality combined.

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Old 10.12.2020, 18:23
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Life-years lost (on a daily basis) would be waaaaay behind 9/11. Not only because most 9/11 direct victims were of working age, but because the dust killed a large number of people in the forthcoming years.

9/11 on a daily basis this isn't.
To compare like with like we should consider how many people will die in the forthcoming years from löng term COVID side effects and complications.
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Old 10.12.2020, 19:06
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To compare like with like we should consider how many people will die in the forthcoming years from löng term COVID side effects and complications.
I guess löng-term COVID must be even longer-term than long-term COVID.
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Old 10.12.2020, 19:17
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I guess löng-term COVID must be even longer-term than long-term COVID.
It's the Swedish version.
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Old 10.12.2020, 19:43
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Where are V__ and Tony to tell us how all of these stats are meaningless and COVID is nothing worth worrying about?
V__ is not among us anymore you need to find someone else to argue with
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Old 10.12.2020, 21:38
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To compare like with like we should consider how many people will die in the forthcoming years from löng term COVID side effects and complications.
Luckily, it sounds like most won't suffer long term complications.

While most persons with COVID-19 recover and return to normal health, some patients can have symptoms that can last for weeks or even months after recovery from acute illness.
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Old 10.12.2020, 22:08
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Luckily, it sounds like most won't suffer long term complications.

While most persons with COVID-19 recover and return to normal health, some patients can have symptoms that can last for weeks or even months after recovery from acute illness.
Even just 1% would dwarf the number of post 9/11 deaths which is the topic "most" of us are discussing
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It's the Swedish version.
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Old 11.12.2020, 00:06
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Luckily, it sounds like most won't suffer long term complications.

While most persons with COVID-19 recover and return to normal health, some patients can have symptoms that can last for weeks or even months after recovery from acute illness.
Aaah, the charming naiveté of someone new who still believes this thread is about facts!
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Old 11.12.2020, 00:09
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It's the Swedish version.
Yellow, or blue?

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… will be Santa exempt from travel ban ...so many borders to cross...
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… will be Santa exempt from travel ban ...so many borders to cross...
An overweight, old alcoholic? He'd better stay at home! That's what I'm telling my kids anyways
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Aaah, the charming naiveté of someone new who still believes this thread is about facts!
What are you doing here then?
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Re: Coronavirus

So, restaurants close since tomorrow at 19h00 due to the new restrictions? Some cantons are fighting this. I guess there's a press conference today after lunch, right?

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/11807...e-des-cas.html
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So, restaurants close since tomorrow at 19h00 due to the new restrictions? Some cantons are fighting this. I guess there's a press conference today after lunch, right?

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/11807...e-des-cas.html
Here in Bern, the restaurants are striking tomorrow and I don't blame them. They would be glad to be closed completely and then offered federal or cantonal support - but the limited hours of operation are essentially putting them on the brink of collapse. They still have to pay their suppliers & pay their staff full wages, all while their income is essentially halved. It is a very sad situation ... so many wonderful businesses are affected.

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Here in Bern, the restaurants are striking tomorrow and I don't blame them. They would be glad to be closed completely and then offered federal or cantonal support - but the limited hours of operation are essentially putting them on the brink of collapse. They still have to pay their suppliers & pay their staff full wages, all while their income is essentially halved. It is a very sad situation ... so many wonderful businesses are affected.

Yes we spoke to one owner this week and he said exactly the same. Closing at 7 is far worse for them as they can't claim on business insurance and so on which they can do if forced to close.
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So, restaurants close since tomorrow at 19h00 due to the new restrictions? Some cantons are fighting this. I guess there's a press conference today after lunch, right?

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/11807...e-des-cas.html
Yes, one is excpected sometime today.
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Who the f...k does this ch govt think it is! Sayin that only 5 *people from 2 houshols can meet.!!!
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