Oh goodness ... well, if there is a safe vaccine available and at risk people choose not to take it, they only have themselves to blame. Our health care workers and anyone else who needs medical treatment will unfortunately also suffer because of it.

I think there’s plenty of self responsibility when you define it as an “I’m responsible for me so I’ll do what I want” ethos and not nearly enough concern or interest in what one’s actions or lack thereof mean when the negative impact to others is not immediately obvious or ever directly known.

Greater good and all that.

I work in an office filled with more equipment than could fit at home even if it was empty, plus others need access, though between April and August I did manage to bring a certain amount home and kept it in one of my garages for use as needed, but at the moment I will need much larger stuff that others also need to use, so not an option.

Tom

Graubunden has extended it's restaurant closure up to 22nd December. Ski pistes stay open, but will be reassessed on the 22nd. https://www.20min.ch/story/buendner-...n-546047322405

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...ll-save-lives/

You work? I thought you were retired. The things I learn on here...

It's almost the end of the year and we are still two positions behind Sweden in the list of deaths/100K people. If we manage to overtake them before the New Year, can we demand media to use the term "Swiss way" instead of "Swedish way"?

For most of the world, Sweden and Switzerland are the same country anyway.

And Swaziland.

I once spent an entire day correcting a company accounting database where employees had mistakenly put the HQ location as "Swaiziland".

"We don't have time!"

No, that's not Kiefer Sutherland in 24 - It's the Zurich health director

https://www.20min.ch/story/natalie-r...s-612798364296

Germany registered 952 Coronavirus deaths yesterday, the highest for the country since the pandemic began. Are they paying the price now for their much lauded response back in the spring?

Switzerland's per million death rate is 722 compared to Germany's 282. So I am not sure what to make of it all.

At the moment yes, but there's small signs German numbers are creeping up? With a population of 80 million though, I doubt they'll ever reach Swiss levels.

All this. If they wanted to bring the numbers down considerably in time for Christmas they should have put much stricter measures in place a few weeks ago.
Anything they do now is far too late, it’s like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

They changed the name of the country to eSwatini a few years ago. Their hotels had too many bad reviews on Trip Advisor from the angry tourists who came to Swaziland for ski holidays.

Are there any ski resorts in canton Zurich?

You can hardly go sledging in Albispasshöhe anymore because it has no snow and the last time you could go ice-skating on Türlersee was in 2011.

What does population size have to do with death rates? I'm not sure you understand how rates are calculated.

Italy and Spain, both with sizeable populations (60 million and 47 million respectively, cf Germany's 84 million), both have death rates >1,000 per million population. The USA, with 332 million, has 937 deaths per million population. All three are well above Switzerland's 722 deaths/million, based on a population of <9 million.

I think this is a message to GR not to count on ZH hospital capacity when assessing whether to keep resorts open.