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22 yards · #**18061** 16.12.2020, 12:21

	Quote:	TinyK
	Are there any ski resorts in canton Zurich?

11 listed on bergfex.ch.

komsomolez · #**18062** 16.12.2020, 12:38

	Quote:	22 yards
	11 listed on bergfex.ch.

Indeed. Too funny. Not sure I would call them resorts.

Talk to you later · #**18063** 16.12.2020, 12:44

To add to my previous post (Per million rates)-

Switzerland vs German

44,777 cases (Death rate 722) vs 16,429 cases (Death rate 282)

German imposed hard lockdown vs Switzerland busy thumb twiddling.

We seem to be doing awful!

MajorGrubert · #**18064** 16.12.2020, 12:46

Apparently, the Graubünden authorities had said that if any Zürchers came to GR to ski and had an accident, then they should be treated in Zürich hospitals.

Sigh · #**18065** 16.12.2020, 12:54

Todays published numbers are 5625 out of 38 k tests

241 hospitalisations
89 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview

And for "Talk to you later" the comparision to last week wednesday

	Quote:	Sigh
	Todays published numbers are 5086 out of 34 k tests 190 hospitalisations 87 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview

Axa · #**18066** 16.12.2020, 12:56

No, but hospitals and mangers in Valais and Grubunden said they would need to send injured skiers back home because local hospitals are full....google translation of https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/st-gall...n-218819196275

	Quote:
	But at least one person in the canton is very worried about the prospect of thousands of winter tourists: the general director of the Valais hospitals, Eric Bonvin. He announced this to the cantonal government in a report on Monday. Bonvin says: «During the second Corona wave in autumn we had to postpone 400 operations. These interventions are now urgent. But there are no anesthetists in the operating theaters because they are still treating Covid patients in the intensive care departments. " Bonvin now warns that the tourists will put an additional strain on the health system in the coming months because skiers and ski tourers in particular suffer accidents and end up in the canton hospital with some serious injuries. "The increase in the number of Swiss tourists in summer already showed us that more serious accidents can occur," says Bonvin. Currently there is no capacity to deal with additional serious injuries. There is a great risk that injured people will have to be sent back to their home cantons, said Bonvin. However, it is questionable whether the withdrawal will work. The Graubünden health director Peter Peyer (SP) had the same idea and asked several hospitals in the home cantons of winter tourists. According to Peyer, the answers were “sobering”. Everywhere it was said that the hospitals were already full because of Corona.

komsomolez · #**18067** 16.12.2020, 13:03

	Quote:	Sigh
	Todays published numbers are 5625 out of 38 k tests 241 hospitalisations 89 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview And for "Talk to you later" the comparision to last week wednesday

Solid

Talk to you later · #**18068** 16.12.2020, 13:08

	Quote:	Sigh
	Todays published numbers are 5625 out of 38 k tests 241 hospitalisations 89 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview And for "Talk to you later" the comparision to last week wednesday

Thanks, you are a good boy! I will demand Editor Bob to gives you a pay rise

So compared to yesterday's 4271 cases, a jump of 1324 cases!!! Even though fewer tests were done today. We might hit 6000 soon?

runningdeer · #**18069** 16.12.2020, 13:59

	Quote:	Axa
	No, but hospitals and mangers in Valais and Grubunden said they would need to send injured skiers back home because local hospitals are full....google translation of https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/st-gall...n-218819196275

One of the criteron for ski resorts to operate is that there are enough beds available in the hospitals; not sure if its specified if these should be covid beds or ski accident beds.

swissotter · #**18070** 16.12.2020, 14:53

haven't kept up with all the posts, has someone posted this yet?

New Mutated Strain of Novel Coronavirus Found in England; Will It Render Vaccines Ineffective?
Scientists are investigating a new strain of SARS-CoV-2 that has infected over 1,000 people in South England, posing a risk to undergoing vaccine distribution

Like all viruses, the new SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 disease has also mutated multiple times since the outbreak began in Wuhan, late December 2019. Although the seven strains of the virus that have been detected so far aren't worrisome, another strain has scientists concerned. The new strain of the novel Coronavirus has been detected in the U.K. with over 1,000 people already infected by it.
The new strain containing several different mutations has been found in southern England in the country's genomic surveillance in the last two months. However, the virus has already spread to over 60 locations in England and the new cases are rising faster as per Matt Hancock, England's Health Secretary. Many parts of the U.K. are currently under strict lockdown due to rising cases of COVID-19.

Susie-Q · #**18071** 16.12.2020, 15:07

I haven't seen it posted, but I am aware of it. I am trying not to follow too closely on this right now. I'm honestly tired of worrying about things I cannot fix or control. One day at a time...

vladest · #**18072** 16.12.2020, 17:15

	Quote:	marton
	Currently, it is not definitely known if vaccinated people could be virus carriers or not

same as for asymptomatics

Klostersgirl · #**18073** 16.12.2020, 17:17

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	I haven't seen it posted, but I am aware of it. I am trying not to follow too closely on this right now. I'm honestly tired of worrying about things I cannot fix or control. One day at a time...

What is really worrying me, is that there is nothing stopping people travelling and bringing the new strain over here. I am in touch with four English families with second homes in Klosters. They all live in London and the South East and no matter how many times I am in contact updating them with our situation, nothing is going to stop them coming over for their Christmas jolly.

komsomolez · #**18074** 16.12.2020, 17:25

	Quote:	Klostersgirl
	What is really worrying me, is that there is nothing stopping people travelling and bringing the new strain over here. I am in touch with four English families with second homes in Klosters. They all live in London and the South East and no matter how many times I am in contact updating them with our situation, nothing is going to stop them coming over for their Christmas jolly.

There have be new strains before and it didn't make a difference really - so far at least.

Susie-Q · #**18075** 16.12.2020, 17:42

	Quote:	Klostersgirl
	What is really worrying me, is that there is nothing stopping people travelling and bringing the new strain over here. I am in touch with four English families with second homes in Klosters. They all live in London and the South East and no matter how many times I am in contact updating them with our situation, nothing is going to stop them coming over for their Christmas jolly.

I have one colleague who has his family in London - he travels every weekend to see them and comes back to Zurich on Monday and straight into the office. It is infuriating ... I know he pays zero attention to lockdown rules while he does it.

Klostersgirl · #**18076** 16.12.2020, 17:43

	Quote:	komsomolez
	There have be new strains before and it didn't make a difference really - so far at least.

This strain is apparently more contagious though.

swissotter · #**18077** 16.12.2020, 18:04

	Quote:	Klostersgirl
	What is really worrying me, is that there is nothing stopping people travelling and bringing the new strain over here. I am in touch with four English families with second homes in Klosters. They all live in London and the South East and no matter how many times I am in contact updating them with our situation, nothing is going to stop them coming over for their Christmas jolly.

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	I have one colleague who has his family in London - he travels every weekend to see them and comes back to Zurich on Monday and straight into the office. It is infuriating ... I know he pays zero attention to lockdown rules while he does it.

I know Switzerland's high numbers are not mainly due to incoming travellers but these examples are disappointing. That is what happens when the ski resorts are open and there is no quarantine required here for UK visitors.

Axa · #**18078** 16.12.2020, 18:16

	Quote:	runningdeer
	One of the criteron for ski resorts to operate is that there are enough beds available in the hospitals; not sure if its specified if these should be covid beds or ski accident beds.

It starts an important discussion. Who needs a surgery more? Someone who needs it from long ago, already waited several weeks, even months, in Valais due to the 2nd wave, or someone who was perfectly healthy?

I only hope no hospital manager/doctor has to face that question.

vladest · #**18079** 16.12.2020, 20:42

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	For most of the world, Sweden and Switzerland are the same country anyway.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/spot...g-country.html

gaburko · #**18080** 16.12.2020, 20:57

	Quote:	Susie-Q
	I have one colleague who has his family in London - he travels every weekend to see them and comes back to Zurich on Monday and straight into the office. It is infuriating ... I know he pays zero attention to lockdown rules while he does it.

This is something which you could (should?) report at least internally as it exposes not only you to Covid, but actually the company. If internally you (corporate "you", not Susie "you") know he's been doing this and not warned him, this won't be seen too nice by the authorities. Quarantine is a must and it's not a matter of personal choice.