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Old 17.12.2020, 11:09
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I wonder how many Germans are now coming over into CH to do shopping since most stores are closed there (e.g. home improvement stores, Xmas shopping, etc.).

All the Germans I know have been going back and forth regularly since the start of Corona!
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Old 17.12.2020, 11:30
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All the Germans I know have been going back and forth regularly since the start of Corona!
I assume most of them work in CH and live in Germany? Cross border commuters of course are exempted from the usual quarantine etc. rules.

I doubt many Germans come here for shopping. It is just a very painful experience with a German paycheck.
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Old 17.12.2020, 11:46
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I assume most of them work in CH and live in Germany? Cross border commuters of course are exempted from the usual quarantine etc. rules.

I doubt many Germans come here for shopping. It is just a very painful experience with a German paycheck.
Yeah, but for example... If you're in Germany and the DIY / home improvement stores are closed and you need something because your sink broke, you're probably going to be tempted to just go over the border into CH to get it (if you live close to the border). Similarly, if you want to go to a restaurant or a mall, etc.

I remember when we were in lockdown last April, I really wanted some charcoal for our grill and was more than willing to pay twice as much for it online as I would have normally paid otherwise.

So even as ironic as it is... and maybe there is not a huge influx of Germans coming into CH for shopping etc. right now... I'm sure that some are.
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Old 17.12.2020, 11:48
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I have one colleague who has his family in London - he travels every weekend to see them and comes back to Zurich on Monday and straight into the office. It is infuriating ... I know he pays zero attention to lockdown rules while he does it.
UK covid cases, 2775 cases per 100,000
Switzerland covid cases, 4360 cases per 100,000

Whats the issue?
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Old 17.12.2020, 12:01
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I assume most of them work in CH and live in Germany? Cross border commuters of course are exempted from the usual quarantine etc. rules.

I doubt many Germans come here for shopping. It is just a very painful experience with a German paycheck.

They live and work here but like visiting family/friends back home regularly!
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No, they would not care, it is Zurich - he did travel back when UK was on the list for CH and work said nothing. The only person that would be screwed over would be me sadly...

Venting on EF I guess is enough.
Risk takers get the comeuppance eventually. But if he's a crossborder commuter isn't he exempt from the quarantine rules?
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UK covid cases, 2775 cases per 100,000
Switzerland covid cases, 4360 cases per 100,000

Whats the issue?
I’m pretty sure you’re the one that’s confused there.
I believe those are the number of cases per million not per 100,000.
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Re: Coronavirus

Tony is actually right this time Rate can be per million, per 100,000, per 100 etc

A Million = 1,000,000

Tony's numbers are per 100,000. If you adjust them for per million they will become-

43,600 vs 27,750


Per million rate CH vs UK that I posted from a different source says-

Roughly 45,000 vs 28,000, so near to Tony's numbers

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Source: Financial Times coronavirus tracker
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Old 17.12.2020, 12:45
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers are 5058 out of 40 k tests

216 hospitalisations
102 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview


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Todays published numbers are 5041 out of 33 k tests

212 hospitalisations
87 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview

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Old 17.12.2020, 12:54
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Tony is actually right this time Rate can be per million, per 100,000, per 100 etc

A Million = 1,000,000

Tony's numbers are per 100,000. If you adjust them for per million they will become-

43,600 vs 27,750


Per million rate CH vs UK that I posted from a different source says-

Roughly 45,000 vs 28,000, so near to Tony's numbers
Ah! He’s giving the total number overall rather than the last 14 days.

I assumed it was the last 14 days as that would seem more pertinent to the post he was replying to.
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Old 17.12.2020, 12:57
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Re: Coronavirus

For the number of deaths I keep checking this graph below, which is comparing the actual number of deaths vs the expected range in green line. The expected range was derived from the collected data over several years and seems to be quite accurate for previous years (could be found in the link below). I assume that the difference between the actual and expected deaths from the graph show the real picture of deaths from the current pandemic in Switzerland.

The deaths numbers seem to move closer to the expected ones during the last couple of weeks, and this looks like a good sign...

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html
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BAG/OFSP announced vaccination strategy today. Well sort of. Still awaiting swissmedic approvals. Plant to start in Jan. with the vulnerables.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...7-12-2020.html

Main points:
-free of charge
-not mandatory
-cantons responsible for implementation
-vulnerables should be vaccinated first

Editing to add, it specifies the following, in the following order, as first priority (disclaimer, my quick translation):
-vulnerable persons (except pregnant women)
-health care workers in contact with patients and personnel accompanying vulnerable people
-members of the same household of vulnerable people
-persons resident in a communal institution and their personnel (e.g. for handicap persons)
-all the other adults who would like to get vaccinated
(children and ados are not part of the target groups for vaccination)

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Todays published numbers are 5058 out of 40 k tests

216 hospitalisations
102 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview


Compared to last week thursday
Given the increase in tests that's actually an improvement!
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Based on today's numbers, what will Mr Berset decide tomorrow? Oh! The suspense
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Given the increase in tests that's actually an improvement!
Except deaths. How is this country okay with ~100 daily deaths?
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Except deaths. How is this country okay with ~100 daily deaths?
True - I'm just relieved that its stationary rather than a rapid rise again given we aren't doing much.
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Except deaths. How is this country okay with ~100 daily deaths?
Deaths are always some time behind the actual infections, because people do not die immediately when getting sick. Hopefully deaths will improve in a week or so.
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Now Economiesuisse joins the choir in favour of tighter measures asap.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/corona-ec...men-ld.1592418
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Given the increase in tests that's actually an improvement!
I had the same reaction. Just again shows how used we have gotten to these levels. Imagine how numbers like this would have sounded only two months ago. The stubborn number of deaths is awful, nothing like the relatively quick decline we had seen in April.
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