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Old 17.12.2020, 19:27
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22 percent of the Geneva population have been infected with the coronavirus and developed an immune system. This emerges from the second phase of the seroprevalence study conducted by the university clinics and the University of Geneva. For the study, the blood of 2,000 people was tested between the end of November and mid-December for antibodies that indicate a previous or existing infection. Young people between the ages of 18 and 35 came into contact with the virus most frequently, and more than a quarter of this age group had antibodies. Children under six years of age (15 percent) and old people (10 percent), on the other hand, were affected less often.

Google Translate from https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/coronavir...gen-ld.1542664

So according to the Barrington nonsense, they should be close to herd immunity

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Old 17.12.2020, 19:30
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That is obvious. Do you expect me to name all of them each time I want to let some steam off? He is the face of the decision makers so it is easier to just name him
Yes! Out of respect.

Not to mention your steam is off by the time you listed them all.
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Old 17.12.2020, 22:14
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The fact that Royalty exists anywhere in the "free world" in 2020 boggles my mind
A fine example of "play the person, not the ball"
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Old 17.12.2020, 23:27
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Isn’t Parmelin taking up the presidency in January?
Yes, with the idiot Cazzo as VP.

They were elected last week (December 11).

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At the moment I see just one good sign here -- the total weekly number of deaths started to go down. It is still very high, but it does go down for the last few weeks, even when the expected curve goes up. I think this is a very good sign.
Deaths and hospitalisations follow the trend of cases with delay of several weeks. They are going down because the cases were going down a month ago. Now the cases are going up, so the deaths will be going up soon again.
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Yes, with the idiot Cazzo as VP.

They were elected last week (December 11).

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A fine example of "play the person, not the ball"
Which is ok if they are royalty speaking on political matters!
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Old 18.12.2020, 07:54
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Yes. They announced them last week.
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This scry article confirms what I have thought for the last 9 months... it's not dying of COVId that I am worried about, it's being left with lasting health issues... https://news.sky.com/story/long-covi...gland-12165947

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Tom Stayte, a 32-year-old creative entrepreneur based in London, is among those who have suffered long-term symptoms after being infected with the virus in March. He has spent the last nine months dealing with what he described as "a life-changing illness".

He told Sky News: "I thought being young and fit would protect me. I was wrong. I used to run marathons, now I struggle with even gentle yoga.

"Not a day goes by without some sort of symptom or pain. At times I feel like a prisoner inside my own body. I look back at my old life and realise what a privilege it was to wake up every morning with good health."

Mr Stayte said his symptoms included breathing difficulties, night sweats, muscle spasms, skin rashes, bulging blood vessels, slurred speech, difficulty swallowing, nerve pain, abdominal pain, weight loss, cognitive problems, confusion, phantom smells, tastes and sounds, numbness and tingling in my limbs.

He added: "I felt like my body had been hijacked.
The thought of a 20% chance of getting long-COVID is worse to me than the thought of a 2% death rate (I am referring to overall death rate only so have retrospectively clarified this). I want the vaccine asap.

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Here is an article about a study that was done regarding Long-COVID:

New research identifies those most at risk from 'long COVID'
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/study-ide...isk-long-covid


"Overall, the team found that while most people with COVID-19 reported being back to normal in 11 days or less, around one in seven (13.3%, 558 users) had COVID-19 symptoms lasting for at least 4 weeks, with around one in 20 (4.5%, 189 users) staying ill for 8 weeks and one in 50 (2.3%, 95 users) suffering for longer than 12 weeks. These are conservative estimates, which, because of the strict definitions used, may underestimate the extent of Long-COVID.

Extrapolating out to the general UK population, which has a different age and gender makeup compared with the COVID Symptom Study app users, the team estimated that around one in seven (14.5%) of people with symptomatic COVID-19 would be ill for at least 4 weeks, one in 20 (5.1%) for 8 weeks and one in 45 (2.2%) for 12 weeks or more.

Long COVID affects around 10% of 18-49 year olds who become unwell with COVID-19, rising to 22% of over 70s. Weight also plays a role, with people developing long COVID having a slightly higher average BMI than those with short COVID. Women were 50 percent more likely to suffer from long COVID than men (14.5% compared with 9.5%), but only in the younger age group. The researchers also found that people with asthma were more likely to develop long COVID, although there were no clear links to any other underlying health conditions."

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Old 18.12.2020, 09:58
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Deaths and hospitalisations follow the trend of cases with delay of several weeks. They are going down because the cases were going down a month ago. Now the cases are going up, so the deaths will be going up soon again.
From the data that I have seen the delay of deaths is about 2 weeks. Would be interesting to know about a month of delay, where have you seen this?

I think the deaths will not go up on the graph that I posted, but keep going down. Currently the Swiss are testing as much as in the beginning of November (when we had the peak of cases) but the number of confirmed cases is not nearly as high. And since the number of tests is going up, more cases are found because of this (some are true, some false), but I hope that the actual number of infections are going down.

These are number of tests for Switzerland per 1000 people

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/f...t&country=~CHE
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Old 18.12.2020, 10:12
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This scry article confirms what I have thought for the last 9 months... it's not dying of COVId that I am worried about, it's being left with lasting health issues... https://news.sky.com/story/long-covi...gland-12165947





The thought of a 20% chance of getting long-COVID is worse to me than the thought of a 2% chance of dying. I want the vaccine asap.
Maths is clearly not your strong point as, population of Switzerland is 8.5 million, you imply 1,700,000 will get long covid & 170,000 deaths in CH.

The reality is 400,000 total cases & 5,883 deaths so you are exaggerating the risk 20-30 times.
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Old 18.12.2020, 10:15
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Should the Swiss Federal government have imposed restrictions nation-wide again, rather than leaving it up to the cantons to decide?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55350118

Seems the first lockdown worked back in the spring, but since then it's been a mishmash of varying restrictions depending on where you live/work/study which doesn't seem to have worked.
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Old 18.12.2020, 10:44
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From the data that I have seen the delay of deaths is about 2 weeks. Would be interesting to know about a month of delay, where have you seen this?
In a representative German hospital with a large Covid station, the current average time from first symptoms to death is 17 days.

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Maths is clearly not your strong point as, population of Switzerland is 8.5 million, you imply 1,700,000 will get long covid & 170,000 deaths in CH.

The reality is 400,000 total cases & 5,883 deaths so you are exaggerating the risk 20-30 times.
According to that article that I posted, 1 in 5 people who get COVID develop long-term symptoms, otherwise known as "long COVID". 1 in 5 is 20%. Even if it was 1 in 10 it would still scare the hell out of me.

How can you can criticise my maths when you have such such appalling levels of general reading comprehension and analytical skills is (almost) beyond me.

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a 2% chance of dying. I want the vaccine asap.
0.5%
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According to that article
this is a key point
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Where did you get 0.5% from? According tot he Google worldwide figures, Switzerland has 400000 cases and 5883 deaths... that is a 1.5% death rate. https://www.google.com/search?q=worl...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I just pulled the 2% from the worldwide figures (75M infections and 1.7M deaths), but yes for Switzerland it's a bit lower which only further emphasises my point that the risk of potential long term health complications (long-COVID) is a far greater fear for me than dying when it comes to contracting COVID.

I am active and sporty and plan to be for a long time to come so if I had permanent lung/breathing problems I would be devastated.

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What specifically about the article don't you agree with?

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Old 18.12.2020, 11:26
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Where did you get 0.5% from? Switzerland has 400000 cases and 5883 deaths... that is a 1.5% death rate.
Chance of dying is very different from death rate from Covid, you are confusing the two.

Btw, the article you posted is complete rubbish. The absurd claim that 20% of the Covid survivors develop long covid has not been backed by any source and the credible sources talking about long covid (whatever that means as it's not defined) talk about a much lower figure.
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Chance of dying is very different from death rate, you are confusing the two.

Btw, the article you posted is complete rubbish. The absurd claim that 20% of the Covid survivors develop long covid has not been backed by any source and the credible sources talking about long covid (whatever that means as it's not defined) talk about a much lower figure.
Furthermore, the article contradicts itself

"Research shows that one in five people develops long COVID symptoms" followed by "We now know that one in 10 people who catch COVID-19 go on to suffer from Long COVID.".

Still waiting for all the articles on the effects of "Long Lockdown".
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Old 18.12.2020, 11:37
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Still waiting for all the articles on the effects of "Long Lockdown".
Long lockdown results in circular arguments on the internet. Other effects include weight gain, weight loss, despising your neighbours, making new friends with neighbors, never knowing how to spell neighbours because of American Neighbors.
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