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Here is an article about a study that was done regarding Long-COVID:

New research identifies those most at risk from 'long COVID'
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/study-ide...isk-long-covid


"Overall, the team found that while most people with COVID-19 reported being back to normal in 11 days or less, around one in seven (13.3%, 558 users) had COVID-19 symptoms lasting for at least 4 weeks, with around one in 20 (4.5%, 189 users) staying ill for 8 weeks and one in 50 (2.3%, 95 users) suffering for longer than 12 weeks. These are conservative estimates, which, because of the strict definitions used, may underestimate the extent of Long-COVID.

Extrapolating out to the general UK population, which has a different age and gender makeup compared with the COVID Symptom Study app users, the team estimated that around one in seven (14.5%) of people with symptomatic COVID-19 would be ill for at least 4 weeks, one in 20 (5.1%) for 8 weeks and one in 45 (2.2%) for 12 weeks or more.

Long COVID affects around 10% of 18-49 year olds who become unwell with COVID-19, rising to 22% of over 70s. Weight also plays a role, with people developing long COVID having a slightly higher average BMI than those with short COVID. Women were 50 percent more likely to suffer from long COVID than men (14.5% compared with 9.5%), but only in the younger age group. The researchers also found that people with asthma were more likely to develop long COVID, although there were no clear links to any other underlying health conditions."
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Here is an article about a study that was done regarding Long-COVID:

New research identifies those most at risk from 'long COVID'
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/study-ide...isk-long-covid


"Overall, the team found that while most people with COVID-19 reported being back to normal in 11 days or less, around one in seven (13.3%, 558 users) had COVID-19 symptoms lasting for at least 4 weeks, with around one in 20 (4.5%, 189 users) staying ill for 8 weeks and one in 50 (2.3%, 95 users) suffering for longer than 12 weeks. These are conservative estimates, which, because of the strict definitions used, may underestimate the extent of Long-COVID.

Extrapolating out to the general UK population, which has a different age and gender makeup compared with the COVID Symptom Study app users, the team estimated that around one in seven (14.5%) of people with symptomatic COVID-19 would be ill for at least 4 weeks, one in 20 (5.1%) for 8 weeks and one in 45 (2.2%) for 12 weeks or more.

Long COVID affects around 10% of 18-49 year olds who become unwell with COVID-19, rising to 22% of over 70s. Weight also plays a role, with people developing long COVID having a slightly higher average BMI than those with short COVID. Women were 50 percent more likely to suffer from long COVID than men (14.5% compared with 9.5%), but only in the younger age group. The researchers also found that people with asthma were more likely to develop long COVID, although there were no clear links to any other underlying health conditions."
Thanks for that info Pancakes. Even a 10% chance of getting long-COVID worries the hell out of me.
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Old 18.12.2020, 11:44
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From the data that I have seen the delay of deaths is about 2 weeks. Would be interesting to know about a month of delay, where have you seen this?
I think the two weeks are a statistical average, but the deviation is quite wide.

Sister of a work colleague developed mild symptoms, got tested positive, muddled along for two weeks believing she was making a slow recovery, and then got hit full blast and had to be hospitalized. Fortunately she has since made a recovery. But she was at 6 weeks in total.
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I think the two weeks are a statistical average, but the deviation is quite wide.

Sister of a work colleague developed mild symptoms, got tested positive, muddled along for two weeks believing she was making a slow recovery, and then got hit full blast and had to be hospitalized. Fortunately she has since made a recovery. But she was at 6 weeks in total.
One of my dads friends has had to have counselling for a few months now after getting COVID, it left him traumatized and suffering from with panic attacks.
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Where did you get 0.5% from?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13423
according to the source: fro 0.04 to 0.2 worldwide.

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What specifically about the article don't you agree with?
we agreed that such kind of claims should be supported by some trusted sources (which is not "Sun")?
I remember same Sun posted article about sporty Ukrainian dead from covid in his 30th. What they "forgot" to mention is that the guy was highly addicted to drugs...and so on
So, dont feed god of fear with more fear
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Old 18.12.2020, 12:20
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I think the two weeks are a statistical average, but the deviation is quite wide.

Sister of a work colleague developed mild symptoms, got tested positive, muddled along for two weeks believing she was making a slow recovery, and then got hit full blast and had to be hospitalized. Fortunately she has since made a recovery. But she was at 6 weeks in total.
Two weeks are a statistical average. My son is doing a project at his Gymnasium, where he takes the data on infections, deaths and recoveries from each day for several countries. He builds a model on this data, so he has identified that the death numbers on average are about 2 weeks behind the infections.

He also takes the data on restrictions for each day for these selected countries and tries to see if there is a correlation between the infection rates and the restriction indexes, and also tries to consider the test rates.

From this project of his, I was surprised to learn that the restriction measures have been categorized per country, and the data is collected by country and is freely available. From these data one can see that actually Sweden is not the only country with very light measures. For example there is also Japan, Finland, Iceland, Latvia with very light restrictions during the first wave and little media noise about it.

Here is the site with some nice visualization and the link to the raw data on the government restrictions:

https://ourworldindata.org/policy-responses-covid
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Old 18.12.2020, 12:31
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Thanks for that info Pancakes. Even a 10% chance of getting long-COVID worries the hell out of me.
Same here. (And I do have asthma).

Personally, I don't really understand why anyone would NOT care about getting COVID. Someone can think all they want that they would never be one of those who would require hospitalization and a ventilator, etc., but that isn't necessarily the case. I have a friend in the US whose otherwise perfectly healthy 21-year old daughter caught COVID and had to be hospitalized for it and put on a ventilator. She said it literally felt like she was slowly drowning to death.

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Same here. (And I do have asthma).

Personally, I don't really understand why anyone would NOT care about getting COVID. You can think all you want that you would never be one of those who would require hospitalization and a ventilator, etc., but that isn't necessarily the case. I have a friend in the US whose otherwise perfectly healthy 21-year old daughter caught COVID and had to be hospitalized for it and put on a ventilator. She said it literally felt like she was slowly drowning to death.
People think that for younger people getting Covid is as dangerous, or maybe even less dangerous, than getting a flu.
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Old 18.12.2020, 12:50
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Suspense is building up, what will Berset and his chums decide today
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Same here. (And I do have asthma).

Personally, I don't really understand why anyone would NOT care about getting COVID. Someone can think all they want that they would never be one of those who would require hospitalization and a ventilator, etc., but that isn't necessarily the case. I have a friend in the US whose otherwise perfectly healthy 21-year old daughter caught COVID and had to be hospitalized for it and put on a ventilator. She said it literally felt like she was slowly drowning to death.
Same - my husband's fit & healthy uncle died of a heart attack shortly after recovering from COVID. There is so much we don't know about the disease...

I know several people who still don't have their taste back - while that is a mild symptom, if you love food as much as I do, that is enough to make me hide indoors until I can be vaccinated.
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Suspense is building up, what will Berset and his chums decide today
In the meantime todays published numbers 4478 out of 41 k tests

184 hospitalisations
120 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview

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Todays published numbers are 5136 out of 33 k tests

174 hospitalisationss
106 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
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Old 18.12.2020, 13:09
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Horrible stories. I am also worried though ultra-careful as much as I can be, I let one business I'm involved with just go down because I knew to save it I would have to go into the office in an area where the rate was high.

I stay at home and luckily have plenty of work but everyone else goes out and could bring it back, that's why I would be happy to have a lockdown. It's tnot the worst time of year to have one as long as we limit visitors and I think, meet outside if possible.

I am trying my best to get more in shape too as I know being more active helps but like many on this forum have mentioned, you just don't know the consequences of catching it... stay safe everyone, and I mean everyone!
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I know several people who still don't have their taste back - while that is a mild symptom, if you love food as much as I do, that is enough to make me hide indoors until I can be vaccinated.
yesterday I spoke to our neighborhood. she claims that she got covid19 in...2018
because she got fever for a week and then lost her taste/smell
After recovering her taste was completely changed...
...but people always forgetting that sever flu often give same post effects as covid19. it just was not so widespread thru media
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yesterday I spoke to our neighborhood. she claims that she got covid19 in...2018
because she got fever for a week and then lost her taste/smell
After recovering her taste was completely changed...
...but people always forgetting that sever flu often give same post effects as covid19. it just was not so widespread thru media
Holy moly, this is exciting news! - Patient 0 has been found
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Personally, I don't really understand why anyone would NOT care about getting COVID.
NOBODY said that. What we challenged is Chuff's wrong interpretation of the data and his alarmist article with no sources. Clearly, nobody wants to get Covid irrelevant of the low chances of long covid or the even lower one for death.
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Two weeks are a statistical average. My son is doing a project at his Gymnasium, where he takes the data on infections, deaths and recoveries from each day for several countries. He builds a model on this data, so he has identified that the death numbers on average are about 2 weeks behind the infections.

He also takes the data on restrictions for each day for these selected countries and tries to see if there is a correlation between the infection rates and the restriction indexes, and also tries to consider the test rates.

From this project of his, I was surprised to learn that the restriction measures have been categorized per country, and the data is collected by country and is freely available. From these data one can see that actually Sweden is not the only country with very light measures. For example there is also Japan, Finland, Iceland, Latvia with very light restrictions during the first wave and little media noise about it.

Here is the site with some nice visualization and the link to the raw data on the government restrictions:

https://ourworldindata.org/policy-responses-covid

Thank you for this piece of rationality and smarts from gymnase. Good for him.
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Old 18.12.2020, 13:35
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One of my dads friends has had to have counselling for a few months now after getting COVID, it left him traumatized and suffering from with panic attacks.
I hope he’ll heal in time. The PTSD risk arising from treating COVID for exhausted and overstretched health workers is a big problem. But it‘s also a real risk for anyone who has had COVID, especially if you were in an ICU or intubated, but not just. People who‘ve had serious illnesses are often at risk of PTSD. The need for PTSD support is going to be enormous going forward.
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Just a timely reminder that stress lowers the immune capacity in people. So, think don't worry too much about the virus, it can be counterproductive. The sun is shinning I'll go out for a few min for a coffee
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Just a timely reminder that stress lowers the immune capacity in people. So, think don't worry too much about the virus, it can be counterproductive. The sun is shinning I'll go out for a few min for a coffee

Coffee increases your stress hormones though
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Coffee increases your stress hormones though
But what about the Coffee Russian Imperial Stout I'm just about to have?!
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