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Yes.

First of all, it will be f---ing boring the next month. On a more serious note, I do think restaurants are a problem, so this will have an effect plus it actually may help the restaurant owners.

The problem is the Christmas period now with all the travel and people mixing. So very possible that whatever the positive effect of what is announced today will be invisible in overall increasing numbers. Then I am sure the usual suspects will remind us how the measures had no effect and just damaged the economy.
Just a reminder they've were in this state in Germany since the beginning of November and it didn't work.
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Old 18.12.2020, 16:46
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Just a reminder they've were in this state in Germany since the beginning of November and it didn't work.
Thank you very much for reminding us.
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Just a reminder they've were in this state in Germany since the beginning of November and it didn't work.
Our "R" should be about 0.1 to 0.2 lower than Germany's based on existing infections. So if we can do what they do - we should see a better result.
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Measures and Polices that arenít enforced are just BS.... wear masks are mandatories, however most arenít not using it properly and no one (police, or whoever) are fining, enforcing....

Itís a shame !
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Measures and Polices that arenít enforced are just BS.... wear masks are mandatories, however most arenít not using it properly and no one (police, or whoever) are fining, enforcing....

Itís a shame !
I'm not seeing many people have the mask under their nose anymore.
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Old 18.12.2020, 16:51
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Our "R" should be about 0.1 to 0.2 lower than Germany's based on existing infections. So if we can do what they do - we should see a better result.
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https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...ublicationFile
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Measures and Polices that arenít enforced are just BS.... wear masks are mandatories, however most arenít not using it properly and no one (police, or whoever) are fining, enforcing....

Itís a shame !

Honestly, it's been very disciplined here since about March. The only folks without masks that I saw were outside of suisse romandie.

I also think that Switzerland is probably the only place where people will personally apply stricter measures by themselves than are suggested by their government.
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The person who proposed shutting shops at 7pm is as thick as mud. That genuinely annoys me. Don't they understand that essential shops will be more crowded, and thus more dangerous if opening hours are restricted.

I'm just going to go to Rewe Germany, which is open until 10pm, using the train (i will be careful). I'm not free before 7. The alternative is to crowd into the Swiss supermarket on Saturday.
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Old 18.12.2020, 16:53
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Honestly, it's been very disciplined here since about March. The only folks without masks that I saw were outside of suisse romandie.

I also think that Switzerland is probably the only place where people will personally apply stricter measures by themselves than are suggested by their government.
Romandie has clearly been following the rules less strictly. Statistics don't lie.
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Yes I think so. Realistically it'll probably end up like this until we have the oldies vaccinated. Which is why its so irritating they haven't started.
https://www.20min.ch/story/schweiz-l...u-780860934201

Starting in December it seems.
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Good - they had said late January IIRC - but seems they are getting their act together quickly. 100 people are dying a die. Putting it off will cost a lot of lives.
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Restaurants, gyms, zoos, museums and libraries close for a month from Tuesday.

Ski resorts remain open.

Anyone really think this will have any effect?
For once, I am going to agree with you - hardly an effect other than all of the most loved small institutions will be out of business, but my company can still allow people to come into the office for no particular reason and we can all go skiing. Hoorah!
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Romandie has clearly been following the rules less strictly. Statistics don't lie.
You cannot compare the cantons with and without transborder movement, without forgetting that those regions had higher infection before us. Sometimes you can stick to strict measures all you want and still have infection pouring in from outside.

One has to work with stats and still keep the context in mind.

Not closing borders is a bit like nit closing skiing stations. It may work. Under quite particular conditions.
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You cannot compare the cantons with and without transborder movement, without forgetting that those regions had higher infection before us. Sometimes you can stick to strict measures all you want and still have infection pouring in from outside.

One has to work with stats and still keep the context in mind.

Not closing borders is a bit like nit closing skiing stations. It may work. Under quite particular conditions.
Its not just the border cantons - what about the likes of Fribourg which don't border France but still have a total high infection rate.

On the other hand - see Basel-stadt. Urban, dense, borders France. Low infections.
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For once, I am going to agree with you - hardly an effect other than all of the most loved small institutions will be out of business, but my company can still allow people to come into the office for no particular reason.
I wonder if your boss wants the office to build immunity. Looks like the health sector and schools, too. I know they think we are invincible, but still.
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Old 18.12.2020, 17:03
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Approval in December (just). But immunisations not until mid January and don't expect more than about 80,000 people to be immunised in January. On top of that it takes about 5 weeks from the first jab to reach full immunity.

So all in all it's going to be April or later before any sort of normality is possible. I think we'll be in and out of heavy restrictions right up to end March.
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Its not just the border cantons - what about the likes of Fribourg which don't border France but still have a total high infection rate.

On the other hand - see Basel-stadt. Urban, dense, borders France. Low infections.
Hmmm. Tbh? There is a logic of the 1st-2nd-3rd waves...When we understand it, we won. Right now it's hit-n-miss. I still think that we dealt with earlier, across the border exposure and now our numbers are lower than FRI who got the relay. All areas here are really disciplined, incl. FRI - I had uni meetings there, it was very clinical and strict.

It rips through areas where previous numbers were low.

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Approval in Dceember (just). But immunisations not until mid January and don't expect more than about 80,000 people to be immunised in January. On top of that it takes about 5 weeks from the first jab to reach full immunity.

So all in all it's going to be April or later before any sort of normality is possible. I think we'll be in and out of heavy restrictions right up to end March.
Think I'll visit the parents in the UK in March (assuming they've been vaccinated) - seems likely things will be normal there before here.
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Re: Coronavirus

Effective reproduction number per ETHZ:




The Re value which is calculated today reflects the infection dynamics of about 10 days ago for Switzerland and 14 days for cantons, due to the delay between infection and positive test result.

https://tb.ethz.ch/plot.html
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Think I'll visit the parents in the UK in March (assuming they've been vaccinated) - seems likely things will be normal there before here.

Ive a similiar timeframe in mind for my next trip to Ireland.
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