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Old 19.12.2020, 21:17
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Re: Coronavirus

Of course, it is "in the interest" of the virus not kill its host. So this should mean that a less lethal variant has better chances of survival in the long run.

However, the virus is a string of RNA and I doubt it made this analysis before mutating.
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because this is how virus mutations works
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Never too late to set up your Christmas decorations and build a snowman despite no snow
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Re: Coronavirus

yes, this was voiced from very beginning of pandemic
from my (non-professional, of course) POV, the virus doesnt have unlimited capabilities. so either more deadly or more contagious
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Yes by all accounts the Professor Chris Whitty ( next slide please ) mugs are
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Old 19.12.2020, 22:25
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Old 19.12.2020, 23:00
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yes, this was voiced from very beginning of pandemic
from my (non-professional, of course) POV, the virus doesnt have unlimited capabilities. so either more deadly or more contagious
We shouldn't anthropomorphize viruses. They are not conscious, and they do not decide whether or not they kill their host or how symptomatic their host becomes.

If a virus is more contagious, it has the ability to infect more people, thus resulting in more deaths. I believe the current mutation in the UK has not yet been studied thoroughly, but it is apparently a spike protein mutation, and studies of other spike protein mutations of COVID-19 have been found to have the ability to cause a higher viral load and be less asymptomatic in younger patients.

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Re: Coronavirus

So worrying about the new strain of the virus, in the UK, that seems to spread much more quickly and easily.

Have there been any cases outside the UK?
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Old 19.12.2020, 23:11
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So worrying about the new strain of the virus, in the UK, that seems to spread much more quickly and easily.

Have there been any cases outside the UK?
Same here...

I said to my husband a bit ago that I'm sure more and more countries will begin testing for that strain now. I would be shocked if it isn't already well-established outside of the UK.
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Old 19.12.2020, 23:18
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So worrying about the new strain of the virus, in the UK, that seems to spread much more quickly and easily.

Have there been any cases outside the UK?

Where else has the strain been found?

"The Nextstrain.org project, which logs lab reports of the strain, has found samples from records in Wales, Scotland and Denmark.

Public Health England confirmed it was also in Australia.

The vast majority are in England.

The virus strain is likely to be present in other countries but may not have been picked up by surveillance studies."

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Re: Coronavirus

so many have gone to Spain and Canaries, etc, recently.

Friends returned to the UK after a stay in Tenerife, with visits all over the Island- there were no information whatsover about needing to quarantine on return, despite rules changing last Saturday (returned on the Sunday) nothing and no checks. And visitors from Switzerland and elsewhere will be mixing with them there and returning, no quarantine, no ckecks.
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Old 19.12.2020, 23:19
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So worrying about the new strain of the virus, in the UK, that seems to spread much more quickly and easily.

Have there been any cases outside the UK?
There has been a new strain identified in South Africa but I don’t know if it is the same as the one in the UK.
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Re: Coronavirus

One of our medic niece is working in a Covid hospital currently in SA - we are so worried. She gave one of her kidneys to a patient with young kids a few years back, so is so at risk.

Surely with that new strain, there should be total block on UK residents travelling abroad anywhere.
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Old 19.12.2020, 23:46
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Surely with that new strain, there should be total block on UK residents travelling abroad anywhere.
Didn‘t someone say there were loads of british on the ski slopes? Then that horse probably has bolted already
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Old 20.12.2020, 00:35
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Re: Coronavirus

It's super quiet quiet out tonight.. People are playing by the rules or holding back for later in the week,,

Center of Nyon tonight.. Normally mobbed..
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Who will predominantly be from the South East - where the new strain is most common. It'll be everywhere before long. Chance of containing it in the uk is zero.

If it really is 70% more transmissible we aren't going to be able to keep R below 1 and it'll spread like wildfire. I think the Chinese solution of bolting people in their houses would be the only thing that'd work. We will have to vaccinate quickly - perhaps that's why swissmedic have acted quicker than expected. If we get the 70+ done we should be more or less ok.
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Re: Coronavirus

Oh right, we stop the spread by vaccinating those most likely to already be isolating. Those most likely to be socialising we leave to the end.

It should be health workers first, like those giving the vaccines, that need to come first. Then frontline workers, bus drivers; grocery store workers; pharmacy workers; etc, next. Then students and those unable to work from home, then everyone else.

You need to protect your soldiers first, any army general knows that. and then protect the supply lines. That’s how a war is won.

I am in the at risk group, I’m willing to go last.
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Old 20.12.2020, 09:17
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I predict the first case will be in Klosters where I have heard more London accents yesterday than I did when I lived there.
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Shops had huge and packed lines outside yesterday, not sure if this anti-covid measure isn't counterproductive.
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We shouldn't anthropomorphize viruses. They are not conscious, and they do not decide whether or not they kill their host or how symptomatic their host becomes.

If a virus is more contagious, it has the ability to infect more people, thus resulting in more deaths. I believe the current mutation in the UK has not yet been studied thoroughly, but it is apparently a spike protein mutation, and studies of other spike protein mutations of COVID-19 have been found to have the ability to cause a higher viral load and be less asymptomatic in younger patients.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...92867420315373
yes, viruses not conscious. they are not more conscious than and computer program. basically, virus can be treated as a small computer with a specific program with limited capabilities. you just cant push in all the "features" to one virus
we dont know anything about new strain but usually, more contagious means less severity. that was my point
btw, less asymptomatic can help to reduce R much easier
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