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Old 21.12.2020, 17:19
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Who is the "they" and what's your source for that? The statement on Saturday said that the government was officially informed only on Friday afternoon. Maybe there were labs noticing a change at the start of the week but this didn't filter through for some days. Presumably they have to consolidate data and be sure that the new strain wasn't just a blip.
There were plenty of articles about the new mutation last Monday and Tuesday (now six days or one week ago), including this one from six days ago, in which it is stated that they knew the mutation involves the virus's spike protein at the time and that it could or would make it more contagious:

'New variant' of coronavirus identified in England

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211

Also, according to the following article, dated last Tuesday, the new mutation has been identified since December 13th and again, they were aware that the mutation involves the spike protein and most likely causes the virus to be more contagious and is responsible for the bad outbreak in SE England.

New coronavirus strain spreading in U.K. has key mutations, scientists say

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-say-1.5231639

That's why I had commented on here last week that "I hope they've closed the borders" -- in regard to the UK.
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Old 21.12.2020, 17:26
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Quite a good article on the new variants from the UK and South Africa. So far many open question particularly for the UK variant (many names, but I call it the "London Virus").

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...emains-unclear

I choose not to summarize the article, but both "fearmongers" and "deniers" will find food in there
Repost. And suggesting everyone to read before speculating on the new strains.
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Re: Coronavirus

R value above 1 - Canton of Geneva closes restaurants.
The canton of Geneva announced on Monday that it would close its restaurants and leisure facilities. The measures apply from 23 December at 11 p.m.

https://www.20min.ch/story/coronavir...e-313657947493
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Re: Coronavirus

Hotels in Verbier are unaware of the quarantine

In Verbier, the hotels have not yet noticed the retroactive quarantine regulation for the British. When asked by 20 minutes, hardly any hotel was able to provide information on how to implement the new provisions. British ski guests were not in quarantine in any of the thirteen hotels asked. "I've heard that Switzerland has canceled flights to and from Great Britain, but I don't know anything about a quarantine," says someone in charge of a three-star hotel in Verbier.

"We have various English guests, but so far they are still out and about, skiing or in the village," said the woman. Quarantine would be technically possible at our hotel. "For example, we can use service to bring the food to your room and isolate you from one another." The problem, however, is different: "The rule means that, in the worst case, the guests have to spend Christmas and New Year in quarantine - and that's not nice."

https://www.20min.ch/story/hotels-in...e-406609558437
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Old 21.12.2020, 18:49
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"The rule means that, in the worst case, the guests have to spend Christmas and New Year in quarantine - and that's not nice."
I'm a pacifist but I can totally see other people reaching for the pitchforks and torches. Maybe, 20min ignited a bit of animosity against auslanders...we'll see.

Also, a friend of mine is asking are Engelberg and Melchsee-Frutt popular among the British tourists?
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Re: Coronavirus

Brits who arrived recently in ski resorts are supposed to be in quarantine now- but 20 Minutes and Swiss TV interviewing Hôtel staff and skiers in Verbier have shown clearly that this is NOT the case.

Next question: how will they return home?
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Brits who arrived recently in ski resorts are supposed to be in quarantine now- but 20 Minutes and Swiss TV interviewing Hôtel staff and skiers in Verbier have shown clearly that this is NOT the case.

Next question: how will they return home?
They can walk. What were they thinking? And I’m avoiding the mountains, bar-stewards.
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:12
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Re: Coronavirus

What about Morzine.. or Chatel ..
Sure it's in FR but just a ski away ..
It's like walking around London over there.. Especially Morzine.
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:13
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Brits who arrived recently in ski resorts are supposed to be in quarantine now- but 20 Minutes and Swiss TV interviewing Hôtel staff and skiers in Verbier have shown clearly that this is NOT the case.

Next question: how will they return home?
They will stay for the season, why would they want to go home when they can ski in Verbier, the mind boggles.

(Of course repatriation flights will happen for the poor souls who can't work from Home/ski resort )
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Re: Coronavirus

The BBC is full of sob-stories at the moment about poor, poor brits that cannot now travel to infect their friends and relatives and hosts in Europe and Canada and elsewhere.

Hello? Hello? Is there anybody there? There is a pandemic going on. And what in god’s name is the BBC doing? They should be calling these idiots, idiots. Not pandering to social media sympathy.
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:24
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What about Morzine.. or Chatel ..
Sure it's in FR but just a ski away ..
It's like walking around London over there.. Especially Morzine.
They're almost completely closed, due to the pandemic. I think all ski areas in Europe are closed, except in Switzerland, aren't they?
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:35
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Re: Coronavirus

Our British neighbours here in Klosters, found a print out of their legal requirement to quarantine from midnight tonight on their front door 14 minutes after it was announced. They also received an email from the Tourist Office informing them of the new restrictions. They drove over and are packing up now and leaving tonight.

There's quite a bit of bad feeling here in Klosters from the locals to the Brits, who are quite obvious in their presence. We have changed our family language from English to Swiss German at the moment when we are not at home. My personal feeling is that they should never have been here. They took a selfish risk and it hasn't paid off. Not that much sympathy from me personally.
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:36
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They're almost completely closed, due to the pandemic. I think all ski areas in Europe are closed, except in Switzerland, aren't they?
I believe so... or so I've read. I know they're closed in France, Germany, and Austria.

Many thanks to the Swiss authorities for keeping our slopes open to allow all those people from SE England to come in.
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Old 21.12.2020, 19:40
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I believe so... or so I've read. I know they're closed in France, Germany, and Austria.

Many thanks to the Swiss authorities for keeping our slopes open to allow all those people from SE England to come in.
Slopes still open in Graubunden ^^
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Old 21.12.2020, 20:16
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I believe so... or so I've read. I know they're closed in France, Germany, and Austria.

Many thanks to the Swiss authorities for keeping our slopes open to allow all those people from SE England to come in.
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Slopes still open in Graubunden ^^
More thinking about those with holiday homes there, than the casual weekend skier .. Very UK focussed resorts.. Walk into most bars and you are greeted by an English bar(wo)man ..

Maybe it's different this year.. I haven't been this year.
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Our British neighbours here in Klosters, found a print out of their legal requirement to quarantine from midnight tonight on their front door 14 minutes after it was announced. They also received an email from the Tourist Office informing them of the new restrictions. They drove over and are packing up now and leaving tonight.

There's quite a bit of bad feeling here in Klosters from the locals to the Brits, who are quite obvious in their presence. We have changed our family language from English to Swiss German at the moment when we are not at home. My personal feeling is that they should never have been here. They took a selfish risk and it hasn't paid off. Not that much sympathy from me personally.
Well when they left the UK there wasn't a mutant virus, nor a quarantine, and they're acting within the law, also sounds like they own a property there as well. The Swiss deliberately did not close borders to get tourists to come here!


All that said, I agree 100% they are selfish idiots trying to cross countries for a non-essential holiday during a global pandemic. But many hundreds of thousands have been doing the same since the outbreak.
I hope they're not driving back to the UK, they may be marooned at Calais.
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I called you a troll because you made a claim without any evidence and when I asked you for the info you then told me "because that's how it works".

I posted a quite factual article about what is known and what is not about this variant in the morning. Of course you didn't pick up on that because you are not interested in a factual discussion.
1. there was posted a link, explains my claims
2. noone give a sh^t yet about this new strain, but you want factual discussion

and who is troll after that?
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Or are you even referring to the complete nonsense vladest is trying to propogate that a mutation that makes the virus more infectious must make it less dangerous?
choose your words very accurately: might be != propOgate
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Well when they left the UK there wasn't a mutant virus, nor a quarantine, and they're acting within the law, also sounds like they own a property there as well. The Swiss deliberately did not close borders to get tourists to come here!


All that said, I agree 100% they are selfish idiots trying to cross countries for a non-essential holiday during a global pandemic. But many hundreds of thousands have been doing the same since the outbreak.
I hope they're not driving back to the UK, they may be marooned at Calais.
There was a mutant virus actually, but London and the South East was only put into Tier 4 on the day they left. My neighbours were in constant touch with me and weren't attempting to do anything that they shouldn't. I didn't mean to imply that they had done anything wrong. I admire them for sucking it up and taking immediate action. They felt a bit disconcerted that they weren't welcomed by some of our local neighbours, and simply didn't want to do the quarantine. I have to say I am grateful as I would have had to offer to shop for them and as there were 8 of them, it would have been quite a task.

I think the Swiss decision to not close borders (or impose quarantines) was misguided and has totally backfired. Equally one might have expecteced to see less holidaymakers from overseas this year. Klosters has an inordinate amount of British tourists, many of whom are second home owners, and as you rightly say, had a legal right to come. As an ex-Londoner with family there, I have to say the writing was on the wall that things were going awry. I personally would not have travelled over to CH, just as I have not travelled to the UK.
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Old 21.12.2020, 20:42
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Our British neighbours here in Klosters, found a print out of their legal requirement to quarantine from midnight tonight on their front door 14 minutes after it was announced. They also received an email from the Tourist Office informing them of the new restrictions. They drove over and are packing up now and leaving tonight.

There's quite a bit of bad feeling here in Klosters from the locals to the Brits, who are quite obvious in their presence. We have changed our family language from English to Swiss German at the moment when we are not at home. My personal feeling is that they should never have been here. They took a selfish risk and it hasn't paid off. Not that much sympathy from me personally.
Well the Swiss are as much to blame... they could have stopped tourists coming and they chose not to for the money!
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