For those who love scary tales

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/afric...ntl/index.html

Maybe some...

I've heard of some Brits accepting that they have to spend 10 days here in quarantine before leaving, others have packed up the car and left (not sure Swiss quarantine rules technically allow that but hey)..... but I've also heard of some blatantly lying about their entry date and carrying on as before .... and then some don't even seem to have heard about it.

I agree that people shouldn't make Brits feel bad for it, however, I do wish that the UK had stopped all outgoing flights, etc. last week when they already suspected that a much more contagious strain of the virus was responsible for the bad outbreak there. I'm noticing more and more that so many countries and authorities are not using enough caution and foresight.

I'm afraid to click on the link. Hell, sometimes I'm afraid to even read the news anymore.

I think I need a Valium.

I am sure some genuinely may not have heard of it, although according to 20 Minutes people are being identified by their SIM cards and contacted that way. In the Graubunden area it is common for tourists to buy guest cards, so that's an easy method to identify people. People I know who rent properties were contacted and told they had to inform their renters.

Klosters is a different place today, so it seems that the system is working here. The quarantine began at midnight last night, so leaving before then was certainly within the rules. I believe that people are allowed to get home if they can, which is easier said than done.

I can't think of anything much worse than being quarantined in a hotel room or some holiday rental over Christmas, but everyone who has travelled this year must surely have been aware of the risk of quarantines being imposed.

Come on. Didn't you watch Outbreak? The secret vaccines to the secret deadly virus diseases are already on shelf in some dark military bunker.

Lol. No, I never saw that and figured now might not be a good time to do so.

The Plague by Camus is an excellent read, also - or particularly - this year. Should have read it in March though.

Sure, but you have not been wanting to go in crowded shops for months, I would have thought you might have realised the lead time required at Christmas might increase, at least you will know for next year.

I had to return a hire car to Geneva Airport, quite deserted. I was outside at the bus station for 1 hour & only say 1 other person, amazingly I knew her as we had been neighbours for 15 years in Chamonix.

Lunch in Ikea, rare entrecôte, before all the restaurants close

Not sure if it's the same here but the UK's quarantine rules for arrivals are (or were, I've not checked recently) that you isolate for 10 days but if you want to leave the country again before the 10 days are up, you're free to do so as long as you're able to travel straight to the airport from the place of quarantine. Makes sense I suppose. Just how, or how strictly, they oversee compliance with quarantine is another topic. Largely a matter of trust, I guess.

I don't think anybody says they acted illegally. But legal doesn't mean good, or helpful for everybody else.

In a group of 8 grownups arriving from the UK the risk of at least one being infected is almost 10%. Not exactly a small risk.

Grisons tried something similarly egotistic. When deciding whether to leave the skiing open, Grison's authorities suggested that they could always send those with need for medical help, e.g. due to an accident in the mountains, back to the Canton they reside in. That suggestion was dropped almost immediately due to the reaction of the other Cantons.

Anybody else worried about the vaccine, which apparently has a 3% adverse reaction rate?

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/transcripturgentnews.htm

Nope. But expect plenty of action from anti-vaccers....

Ah. "Vernon Coleman’s two most recent books: `Covid-19: The Greatest Hoax in History’ and `Proof that Masks Do More Harm than Good’ are both available free as PDFs on this website."

It seems that the CDC lists flu-like symptoms are common side effects. The CDC presentation that is used also counts 6 cases of anaphylaxis (which is the most discussed side effect) out of 112000 vaccinations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ect/after.html

There has only been a very small number of cases reported of people having severe allergic reactions to the vaccine, and it is appears to be primarily due to an allergy to the polyethylene glycol contained "in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient."

This article, dated two days ago:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...rgic-reactions

"Severe allergy-like reactions in at least eight people who received the COVID-19 vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech over the past 2 weeks may be due to a compound in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient, scientists say. A similar mRNA vaccine developed by Moderna, which was authorized for emergency use in the United States on Friday, also contains the compound, polyethylene glycol (PEG)."

So rather than scare-mongering about a vaccine that has the potential to save thousands, if not millions of lives, perhaps you should first try to educate yourself rather than basing your beliefs on ignorance. Adverse reactions to the vaccines have been extremely rare.

So people's concerns are justified. Thanks.

Concerns are one thing. Telling people to not get the vaccine when only a very, very small number of people have had an allergic reaction to it is another.

Most people who are allergic to ingredients in a vaccine know that already.

The smallpox vaccine left me a lifetime scar on my right shoulder, the horror!!!