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Old 22.12.2020, 20:57
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Old 22.12.2020, 20:57
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They have gone home. They drove off in their cars. Everyone in London and the South East knew that something was going on, and some accepted that plans had to be changed whilst others did not.

By the way, they weren't scared off. They were informed of their legal requirement to quarantine. They took their decision to leave. They aren't stupid or poorly educated people quite the reverse. They took it on the chin and dealt with it. Good of you to take up the cudgels on their behalf, but they wouldn't thank you for it. They are perfectly able to take responsibility for their actions and that's exactly what they did.
Maybe some...

I've heard of some Brits accepting that they have to spend 10 days here in quarantine before leaving, others have packed up the car and left (not sure Swiss quarantine rules technically allow that but hey)..... but I've also heard of some blatantly lying about their entry date and carrying on as before .... and then some don't even seem to have heard about it.
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Old 22.12.2020, 21:02
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The problem is, where have they gone now that they've been scared off? All flights and channel links have been off since the weekend, so they could have just spread it more (in the unlikely event they had it in the first place).

That's my main issue, all Brits that came were did so within the rules. As others have said, it was a risk that backfired, though they shouldn't be made to feel worse by the locals.

The worst part of this whole story is that the UK is being punished for her honesty!
I agree that people shouldn't make Brits feel bad for it, however, I do wish that the UK had stopped all outgoing flights, etc. last week when they already suspected that a much more contagious strain of the virus was responsible for the bad outbreak there. I'm noticing more and more that so many countries and authorities are not using enough caution and foresight.
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Old 22.12.2020, 21:03
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I'm afraid to click on the link. Hell, sometimes I'm afraid to even read the news anymore.

I think I need a Valium.
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Old 22.12.2020, 21:18
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Maybe some...

I've heard of some Brits accepting that they have to spend 10 days here in quarantine before leaving, others have packed up the car and left (not sure Swiss quarantine rules technically allow that but hey)..... but I've also heard of some blatantly lying about their entry date and carrying on as before .... and then some don't even seem to have heard about it.
I am sure some genuinely may not have heard of it, although according to 20 Minutes people are being identified by their SIM cards and contacted that way. In the Graubunden area it is common for tourists to buy guest cards, so that's an easy method to identify people. People I know who rent properties were contacted and told they had to inform their renters.

Klosters is a different place today, so it seems that the system is working here. The quarantine began at midnight last night, so leaving before then was certainly within the rules. I believe that people are allowed to get home if they can, which is easier said than done.

I can't think of anything much worse than being quarantined in a hotel room or some holiday rental over Christmas, but everyone who has travelled this year must surely have been aware of the risk of quarantines being imposed.
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Old 22.12.2020, 21:25
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I'm afraid to click on the link. Hell, sometimes I'm afraid to even read the news anymore.

I think I need a Valium.
Come on. Didn't you watch Outbreak? The secret vaccines to the secret deadly virus diseases are already on shelf in some dark military bunker.
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Old 22.12.2020, 21:54
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Come on. Didn't you watch Outbreak? The secret vaccines to the secret deadly virus diseases are already on shelf in some dark military bunker.
Lol. No, I never saw that and figured now might not be a good time to do so.
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Old 22.12.2020, 22:15
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Lol. No, I never saw that and figured now might not be a good time to do so.
The Plague by Camus is an excellent read, also - or particularly - this year. Should have read it in March though.
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Old 22.12.2020, 23:16
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I tried - do you have any idea what the wait period is now for online orders? I have been ordering online for some time now, but it isn't possible lately.
Sure, but you have not been wanting to go in crowded shops for months, I would have thought you might have realised the lead time required at Christmas might increase, at least you will know for next year.
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Old 22.12.2020, 23:20
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Are you no longer frightened to go out..

The trains are empty again, guys. CFF added carriages, finally! I think infecting family members over the holidays is less likely, awesome! Before Dec 18 we were sitting on eachothers laps, almost. Shortening trains in Nov and Dec made no sense.
I had to return a hire car to Geneva Airport, quite deserted. I was outside at the bus station for 1 hour & only say 1 other person, amazingly I knew her as we had been neighbours for 15 years in Chamonix.

Lunch in Ikea, rare entrecôte, before all the restaurants close
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Old 22.12.2020, 23:24
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I've heard of some Brits accepting that they have to spend 10 days here in quarantine before leaving, others have packed up the car and left (not sure Swiss quarantine rules technically allow that but hey)..... but I've also heard of some blatantly lying about their entry date and carrying on as before .... and then some don't even seem to have heard about it.
Not sure if it's the same here but the UK's quarantine rules for arrivals are (or were, I've not checked recently) that you isolate for 10 days but if you want to leave the country again before the 10 days are up, you're free to do so as long as you're able to travel straight to the airport from the place of quarantine. Makes sense I suppose. Just how, or how strictly, they oversee compliance with quarantine is another topic. Largely a matter of trust, I guess.
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Old 22.12.2020, 23:45
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The problem is, where have they gone now that they've been scared off? All flights and channel links have been off since the weekend, so they could have just spread it more (in the unlikely event they had it in the first place).

That's my main issue, all Brits that came were did so within the rules. As others have said, it was a risk that backfired, though they shouldn't be made to feel worse by the locals.

The worst part of this whole story is that the UK is being punished for her honesty!
I don't think anybody says they acted illegally. But legal doesn't mean good, or helpful for everybody else.

In a group of 8 grownups arriving from the UK the risk of at least one being infected is almost 10%. Not exactly a small risk.

Grisons tried something similarly egotistic. When deciding whether to leave the skiing open, Grison's authorities suggested that they could always send those with need for medical help, e.g. due to an accident in the mountains, back to the Canton they reside in. That suggestion was dropped almost immediately due to the reaction of the other Cantons.
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Old 23.12.2020, 10:55
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Re: Coronavirus

Anybody else worried about the vaccine, which apparently has a 3% adverse reaction rate?

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/transcripturgentnews.htm

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I have just seen a report from `ACIP Covid-19 Vaccine Work Group at CDC’ in the US. (ACIP stands for Advisory Committee on Immunisation Practices.)

This is a report on anaphylaxis following m-RNA covid-19 vaccine receipt, and the report includes a table headed: ‘V-Safe Active Surveillance for Covid-19 Vaccine’.

The table lists the number of registrants with a recorded first dose by December 18th as 112,807 and the number of Health Impact Events as 3,150.

Health Impact Events are defined as individuals, `unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health professional’.

That is 2.79%, and it is within days of receiving the vaccine.

If 60 million people in the UK have the vaccine we can, therefore, expect 1.67 million people to be unable to work, perform normal daily activities and to require care from a doctor or health professional.

If six billion people worldwide have the vaccine, we can expect 167 million people to be `unable to work, perform normal daily activities, require care from doctor or heath professional’.

And that is just the short-term effect of the vaccine. We obviously don’t know what will happen in the months and years ahead.

The link to the report is on my website. Just look for `Urgent Information about Covid-19 Vaccine’. (It has already been viewed by many thousands of visitors to this website. If the report disappears then I’m afraid that it has been `removed’ by forces outside my control.)

If anyone at the BBC or any other mainstream media outlet has any integrity left they will run this as their main news item on their next bulletin.

I am not telling anyone whether or not to have the vaccine. I am not opposed to vaccines for some odd Luddite reasons but I am pro-science and pro-truth, and I am just doing something governments won’t do: helping people make an informed choice.

That’s all I have been doing all my life and, as far as covid is concerned, since March 2020. As a reward I have been banned, libelled and sneered at by the ignorant, the prejudiced and the bought.

In my view, what this report means is that the covid-19 vaccine roll out has to be stopped now.

If it is not stopped then we know what is going on. If governments are really `guided by the science’ (as they claim to be) they have no choice.

People often say: `what can I do?’

Send this video to politicians, journalists, family and friends. Anyone considering having the vaccine needs informed consent.

If you want to stop this you can. It’s up to you. You can make a difference.

Copyright Vernon Coleman December 20th 2020
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Old 23.12.2020, 11:17
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Anybody else worried about the vaccine, which apparently has a 3% adverse reaction rate?

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/transcripturgentnews.htm
Nope. But expect plenty of action from anti-vaccers....
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Old 23.12.2020, 11:17
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Anybody else worried about the vaccine, which apparently has a 3% adverse reaction rate?

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/transcripturgentnews.htm
Ah. "Vernon Coleman’s two most recent books: `Covid-19: The Greatest Hoax in History’ and `Proof that Masks Do More Harm than Good’ are both available free as PDFs on this website."

It seems that the CDC lists flu-like symptoms are common side effects. The CDC presentation that is used also counts 6 cases of anaphylaxis (which is the most discussed side effect) out of 112000 vaccinations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ect/after.html
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Old 23.12.2020, 11:29
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http://www.vernoncoleman.com/transcripturgentnews.htm
There has only been a very small number of cases reported of people having severe allergic reactions to the vaccine, and it is appears to be primarily due to an allergy to the polyethylene glycol contained "in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient."

This article, dated two days ago:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...rgic-reactions

"Severe allergy-like reactions in at least eight people who received the COVID-19 vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech over the past 2 weeks may be due to a compound in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient, scientists say. A similar mRNA vaccine developed by Moderna, which was authorized for emergency use in the United States on Friday, also contains the compound, polyethylene glycol (PEG)."

So rather than scare-mongering about a vaccine that has the potential to save thousands, if not millions of lives, perhaps you should first try to educate yourself rather than basing your beliefs on ignorance. Adverse reactions to the vaccines have been extremely rare.
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Old 23.12.2020, 12:13
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So people's concerns are justified. Thanks.
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Old 23.12.2020, 12:16
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So people's concerns are justified. Thanks.
Concerns are one thing. Telling people to not get the vaccine when only a very, very small number of people have had an allergic reaction to it is another.
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Old 23.12.2020, 12:22
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Concerns are one thing. Telling people to not get the vaccine when only a very, very small number of people have had an allergic reaction to it is another.

Most people who are allergic to ingredients in a vaccine know that already.
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Old 23.12.2020, 12:35
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So people's concerns are justified. Thanks.
The smallpox vaccine left me a lifetime scar on my right shoulder, the horror!!!
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