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I still cant believe how grown up people can believe , wearing a cloth on the mouth can stop spreading a respiratory virus ??

I can understand how people are under some psychosis and pressure so they cant reason with logic but still.. it's been months now
wearing mask in no way can "stop" the virus
Wearing a mask (even surgical or cloth masks) is better than no mask at all. THAT is what the research shows.

As part of that paper's (the one I linked to) conclusions, quote:

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Without a face mask, it is almost certain that many foreign droplets will transfer to the susceptible person. Wearing a mask will offer substantial, but not complete, protection to a susceptible person by decreasing the number of foreign airborne sneeze and cough droplets that would otherwise enter the person without the mask."
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Old 23.12.2020, 15:48
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It looks like the canton of Aargau has gone into "only-essential shops mode" (?). My husband is there visiting his elderly mother and went to the Migros in Brugg yesterday to do her shopping for her. He said that all the non-essential stuff was closed off in Migros so that people are unable to buy it, like what they were doing last Spring (he was wanting to buy a new mouse for his laptop but wasn't able to because the electronics section was closed).
Certainly around here common sense applied, I just asked when i needed stuff from the closed areas, each time they staff told me go just go around the barrier and help myself.

Nespresso machine, office supplies, light bulbs..
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Old 23.12.2020, 15:49
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What's Bing.

That search site?
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Re: Coronavirus

Pancakes, ok. But , let's be serious for a second and look at this from a different angle can we?

For ex. A person is ill, so ill they have the virus they cough, sneeze, and especially when the person's immunity system fights off the virus, the virus seeks a new host . This is usually dont be coughing ..

Let's say you walk around (being ill of course heeh) and you're coughing in that famous blue cloth .. oh .. but when you cough or sneeze, we both know the droplets are going straight into our eyes, nose..

but the most important thing, the virus , just gets "trapped" in the cloth ....

is sort of "dead" (knowing how they arent alive but still..)

and it dies there on your lips cloth.. and nothing happens? the virus is in the cloth ,on your lips but is no more dangerous ? will not get back through the saliva ?
So here we are, asking people to put huge amount of alcohol on their hands, making them breath with difficulty because they have to breath through that burqa on their face.. all of that because it's so dangerous to get in a contact with the virus, BUT , having it on your lips, in that cloth ..that's just fine ?

It's so ridiculous that for people who know even a bit about medecine,science this is just insane and shameful for us as a society to come to this . Wish I'm wrong but I'm not unfortunately.
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Old 23.12.2020, 15:58
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I think they're just trying to discourage people from crowding the shops there and from going out just to do "leisurely shopping." The situation in Aargau is really bad right now. The last I saw, there were only two ICU beds available in that canton (that was a few days ago).
Today, 7 ICU beds free out of 57 in Aargau, so 88% occupancy rate. 65% of beds used by covid19 patients. So, not a good time to slip on wet stairs, or fall from a ladder while hanging Christmas decoration. Of course, people keep having heart attacks and diabetes crisis, etc......7 free beds is still not good. Hopefully, all births around this time are simple and no ICU bed is needed.
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From tomorrow, British and South African tourists here and currently quarantined can fly home.

https://www.20min.ch/story/schweizer...n-666818322895
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Old 23.12.2020, 16:03
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Most of those catching the virus were in situations where they weren't wearing a mask.

Edit: And no, I don't have any evidence accept for hearing stories in my own circle of friends and aquaintances.
I don't want to drag the mask argument up again but the Danish study clearly shows that if your mask protects anyone its others from the wearer rather than the wearer from others.

(And indeed that's why they are worn in hospitals - to protect the vulnerable patient from the doctor).

You need to social distance.
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Old 23.12.2020, 16:04
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Pancakes, ok. But , let's be serious for a second and look at this from a different angle can we?

For ex. A person is ill, so ill they have the virus they cough, sneeze, and especially when the person's immunity system fights off the virus, the virus seeks a new host . This is usually dont be coughing ..

Let's say you walk around (being ill of course heeh) and you're coughing in that famous blue cloth .. oh .. but when you cough or sneeze, we both know the droplets are going straight into our eyes, nose..

but the most important thing, the virus , just gets "trapped" in the cloth ....

is sort of "dead" (knowing how they arent alive but still..)

and it dies there on your lips cloth.. and nothing happens? the virus is in the cloth ,on your lips but is no more dangerous ? will not get back through the saliva ?
So here we are, asking people to put huge amount of alcohol on their hands, making them breath with difficulty because they have to breath through that burqa on their face.. all of that because it's so dangerous to get in a contact with the virus, BUT , having it on your lips, in that cloth ..that's just fine ?

It's so ridiculous that for people who know even a bit about medecine,science this is just insane and shameful for us as a society to come to this . Wish I'm wrong but I'm not unfortunately.
I'm not entirely sure if I understand your comment correctly because the way it's worded I do find a bit difficult to understand exactly what you're trying to say, but.... If a person already has the virus, why would they or anyone be worried about them having the virus trapped inside their own mask?

The masks help prevent the virus's particles from being transmitted to other people so that they are less exposed to those particles and therefore less likely to inhale them into their own respiratory system.
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm sure you could understand what I wrote but you prefer simple sentences , "mask protects the others from getting the virus from the infected person" case closed. .

Wearing a cloth on your lips can not block the virus and keep it trapped. Even when you simply breath you have condensation on your glasses so how someone can believe that coughing-sneezing which goes to 80mph can keep the virus trapped, is ridiculous.
Those who are selling this story to us must have a big laugh now.

Second, if you wear that face nappy , in no way that can protect you from catching the virus . For the simple reason, because we catch infections -mostly- through the mucus in our eyes.
This is how the infection starts and not through nose or mouth .

For that reason , once we are getting a cold, seasonal virus etc. first our eyes get sore,itchy,headache ,then runny nose, then sore throat then chest pain etc...

The mask argument only started in march- april this year and it's the saddest moment in the human history and science. To go this low to convince people how if they wear a nappy,burqa,surgical mask, can protect them from getting the dangerous virus but even the manufacturer himself is stipulating how IT DOES not protect against any virus.

"The surgeons wear a mask argument" - is the second most ridiculous thing I've heard hope here on this forum no one believes in that or uses that as an example.
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Old 23.12.2020, 16:41
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I'm sure you could understand what I wrote but you prefer simple sentences , "mask protects the others from getting the virus from the infected person" case closed. .

Wearing a cloth on your lips can not block the virus and keep it trapped. Even when you simply breath you have condensation on your glasses so how someone can believe that coughing-sneezing which goes to 80mph can keep the virus trapped, is ridiculous.
Those who are selling this story to us must have a big laugh now.

Second, if you wear that face nappy , in no way that can protect you from catching the virus . For the simple reason, because we catch infections -mostly- through the mucus in our eyes.
This is how the infection starts and not through nose or mouth .

For that reason , once we are getting a cold, seasonal virus etc. first our eyes get sore,itchy,headache ,then runny nose, then sore throat then chest pain etc...

The mask argument only started in march- april this year and it's the saddest moment in the human history and science. To go this low to convince people how if they wear a nappy,burqa,surgical mask, can protect them from getting the dangerous virus but even the manufacturer himself is stipulating how IT DOES not protect against any virus.

"The surgeons wear a mask argument" - is the second most ridiculous thing I've heard hope here on this forum no one believes in that or uses that as an example.
Yeah, I think our conversation about this is going to end right here because you're clearly incapable of understanding basic science. And I think the last thing anyone else here wants is for this thread to become another ongoing vicious circle of arguments perpetuated by people who refuse to read and acknowledge scientific data.
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Old 23.12.2020, 16:55
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I'm sure you could understand what I wrote but you prefer simple sentences , "mask protects the others from getting the virus from the infected person" case closed. .

Wearing a cloth on your lips can not block the virus and keep it trapped. Even when you simply breath you have condensation on your glasses so how someone can believe that coughing-sneezing which goes to 80mph can keep the virus trapped, is ridiculous.
Those who are selling this story to us must have a big laugh now.

Second, if you wear that face nappy , in no way that can protect you from catching the virus . For the simple reason, because we catch infections -mostly- through the mucus in our eyes.
This is how the infection starts and not through nose or mouth .

For that reason , once we are getting a cold, seasonal virus etc. first our eyes get sore,itchy,headache ,then runny nose, then sore throat then chest pain etc...

The mask argument only started in march- april this year and it's the saddest moment in the human history and science. To go this low to convince people how if they wear a nappy,burqa,surgical mask, can protect them from getting the dangerous virus but even the manufacturer himself is stipulating how IT DOES not protect against any virus.

"The surgeons wear a mask argument" - is the second most ridiculous thing I've heard hope here on this forum no one believes in that or uses that as an example.
Yes, to all this!
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Old 23.12.2020, 17:28
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"The surgeons wear a mask argument" - is the second most ridiculous thing I've heard hope here on this forum no one believes in that or uses that as an example.
Keep hoping Maybe, if you hope real hard no one will believe this anymore.
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Old 23.12.2020, 17:59
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The mask argument only started in march- april this year and it's the saddest moment in the human history and science. To go this low to convince people how if they wear a nappy,burqa,surgical mask, can protect them from getting the dangerous virus but even the manufacturer himself is stipulating how IT DOES not protect against any virus.
The saddest moment in human history? Really?
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Old 23.12.2020, 18:00
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Todays published numbers are 5033 out of 45 k tests

292 hospitalisations
98 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last wednesday
And I'm one of those 5033, notified this morning. Thanks 2020, great job. Now eff off.
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And I'm one of those 5033, notified this morning. Thanks 2020, great job. Now eff off.
Sorry to hear - you feeling ok?
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And I'm one of those 5033, notified this morning. Thanks 2020, great job. Now eff off.
Courage. Iíve got my fingers crossed it will only be a minor infection. You canít get really sick! We need you! Hot Cross Buns, Mince Pies and Irish whiskey cheddar are hard to come by.
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Old 23.12.2020, 18:16
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And I'm one of those 5033, notified this morning. Thanks 2020, great job. Now eff off.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're not feeling very ill (?) Please let us know if you need anything.
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Seriously Mike, is there anything we can do (remotely) to help out. I’ve got a bottle of Bells (my deceased f-i-l’s tipple) that I could put in the post? Not the best Scotch by any means but .... Just pm a postal address and Bob will be your Uncle.
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Old 23.12.2020, 18:41
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I don't want to drag the mask argument up again but the Danish study clearly shows that if your mask protects anyone its others from the wearer rather than the wearer from others.

(And indeed that's why they are worn in hospitals - to protect the vulnerable patient from the doctor).

You need to social distance.
That is exactly the opposite of the Danish study conclusion

There was nothing in the study about "if your mask protects anyone its others from the wearer", the study did not look at transmission, or not, to others.

It was designed "to assess whether recommending surgical mask use outside the home reduces wearers' risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in a setting where masks were uncommon," according to the study’s abstract.
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Old 23.12.2020, 18:45
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Sorry to hear - you feeling ok?
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I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're not feeling very ill (?) Please let us know if you need anything.
I feel under the weather, like a bad cold is coming (sore throat, aching etc). Yesterday I felt v tired but I've been working 12 hour days the last 2 weeks. I had to take a travel test (they put your passport number in the document) as I was due to fly to NL to spend 4 weeks with my GF. Pretty shocked this morning when I got the positive result. But my Xmas trip is off obviously and I need to spend the next 14 days alone at home, instead of with my GF. And that hurts.
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