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Old 30.12.2020, 11:21
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Re: Coronavirus

U.K. have changed their vaccination tactics. They are going to give as many people as poss the first dose, before going back and doing the second dose, as most immunity comes from dose 1.
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Swiss company Lonza will be manufacturing the vaccine for Moderna, maybe this is the reason why Swiss will focus on Moderna vaccine.
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I am seriously concerned it will get approved here - the Swiss authorities have already said that you cannot choose which vaccine you can receive. I do not want 70% effectiveness over 90+% effectiveness.
Moderna published their phase III results which shows 94.5% efficacy
https://investors.modernatx.com/news...imary-efficacy

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Old 30.12.2020, 11:39
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The bleak numbers from back home continue - 16 300. Despite the strict measures.

I hope we will not see the same development here and thst people were were careful over the Noël festivities.
50,000 new cases reported in the UK yesterday, this in spite of retail and restaurants being closed, private social contact being severely restricted and schools being on holiday.
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Old 30.12.2020, 11:39
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Swiss company Lonza will be manufacturing the vaccine for Moderna, maybe this is the reason why Swiss will focus on Moderna vaccine.
Despite it being the most expensive of the 3
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Old 30.12.2020, 11:40
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Putting it on your CV might go a bit far.
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Despite it being the most expensive of the 3
This is interesting, I thought Pfizer was the most expensive, with their requirement of minus 70 degrees for storage and need for the special freezers...
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50,000 new cases reported in the UK yesterday, this in spite of retail and restaurants being closed, private social contact being severely restricted and schools being on holiday.
People were still getting together with their extended families for the holidays in the UK, despite the restrictions. I have a friend who lives just outside of London and his entire family still got together for Xmas, as usual.
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Old 30.12.2020, 11:48
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50,000 new cases reported in the UK yesterday, this in spite of retail and restaurants being closed, private social contact being severely restricted and schools being on holiday.
Yes. I think people did wait, even here, with getting tested, too, after the festivities. So the numbers climbing in jumps are logical.

I wonder what numbers France comes up with. And Austria to compare with - since they cancelled Christmas there.

CZ is pissed off with the prime-minister who relaxed the measures right before the holidays. The lifts are closed but people still drive up to ski. I think they can't take it anymore. Switzerland leaving the lifts open does make sense to me, when I see what's happening at home. If it's organized, it's easier to control and adjust. Vaud left even restos and cafes opened in ski resorts, with sign up sheets for tracing.
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This is interesting, I thought Pfizer was the most expensive, with their requirement of minus 70 degrees for storage and need for the special freezers...
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...dose-will-cost

Moderna, a two-dose vaccine, recently announced each dose will go for around $32 to $37.

The Pfizer vaccine, also given in two doses, is expected to cost $19.50 a dose.

Each dose for Johnson & Johnson’s two-dose vaccine will cost an estimated $10, and AstraZeneca’s two-dose vaccine could be the cheapest at just $3 to $4 a dose.

Novavax’s two-dose vaccine is estimated to be $16 a dose.
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Re: Coronavirus

Is there someone here who thinks they could have gotten the Coronavirus before the emergency started and it was confirmed it was here?

In mid-January I had a light flu, just a little later than usual; the previous years I regularly catched it around December 31. Just two more weeks later however I got a second flu which was much worse - debilitating headache, fever staying at 39 and higher, feeling of suffocation at any cough - and different as it came suddendly, no throat aching or cold before the fever. It passed but I also suffered a period of recovery longer than with any other flu.

Of course back then the doctor had no idea and could only think the dry Winter favored being infected by viruses a second time after so little, however as the pandemic was declared and we entered lockdown, through information about the symptoms I thought mine could have been a case of Corona infection that resolved into a flu. The doctor had come to the same conclusion over time and upon hearing a detail I considered unimportant back in February, namely that I was in Milan, in places full of people, about a week before I got the second flu (which would match with the average incubation time of the virus), felt the probability to be even higher.

I'll never know for sure it was Corona of course (my recent negative test doesn't mean much in that regard as it was done more than 10 months after that flu) but knowing how unpredictable the virus can be, at times striking bad even on very healthy people, I can't help but thinking sometimes "that could have been me, I was only brushed by it, I was lucky".
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Re: Coronavirus

CheeseFromHell , have you ever taken the antibody test? Of course chances are that after 10 months your possible antibodies are gone, but who knows, maybe you still have them.
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Yes - I am fairly sure I had it at the end of Feb...never experienced anything like it and I had spent time in company from people who had just returned from Lombardy.

I can never know for sure - I had the Roche antibody test 6 months after, and did not test positive for antibodies ... but the certainty I had it somehow gave me peace during the first wave as I thought I must be immune. The only other reason why I think I may not have had it, is that I was in contact with many people at work during my first symptoms, and nobody seemed to contract the virus ...
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Old 30.12.2020, 12:21
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I think that the coronavirus was definitely going around in Europe before it was confirmed via testing (and most likely elsewhere in the world as well). Tests for the virus weren't even first developed until last January. I also seem to remember once reading that, in France, some old samples were tested that had been taken in December of 2019 that had tested positive for the virus once those samples were later tested. Yeah, here is an article about it...

After retesting samples, French hospital discovers COVID-19 case from December
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKBN22G20L

"A French hospital which has retested old samples from pneumonia patients discovered that it treated a man who had COVID-19 as early as Dec. 27, nearly a month before the French government confirmed its first cases."
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Old 30.12.2020, 12:30
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Is there someone here who thinks they could have gotten the Coronavirus before the emergency started and it was confirmed it was here?

In mid-January I had a light flu, just a little later than usual; the previous years I regularly catched it around December 31. Just two more weeks later however I got a second flu which was much worse - debilitating headache, fever staying at 39 and higher, feeling of suffocation at any cough - and different as it came suddendly, no throat aching or cold before the fever. It passed but I also suffered a period of recovery longer than with any other flu.

Of course back then the doctor had no idea and could only think the dry Winter favored being infected by viruses a second time after so little, however as the pandemic was declared and we entered lockdown, through information about the symptoms I thought mine could have been a case of Corona infection that resolved into a flu. The doctor had come to the same conclusion over time and upon hearing a detail I considered unimportant back in February, namely that I was in Milan, in places full of people, about a week before I got the second flu (which would match with the average incubation time of the virus), felt the probability to be even higher.

I'll never know for sure it was Corona of course (my recent negative test doesn't mean much in that regard as it was done more than 10 months after that flu) but knowing how unpredictable the virus can be, at times striking bad even on very healthy people, I can't help but thinking sometimes "that could have been me, I was only brushed by it, I was lucky".
I had it mid January 2020, I had positive antibody tests (Roche0) in July & November. I will do a further Roche test in January. An Abbott test taken 3 days after the Roche test in November was negative, taken by a friend who works in a lab, she was curious as had not seen antibodies last so long.
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I had it mid January 2020, I had positive antibody tests (Roche0) in July & November. I will do a further Roche test in January. An Abbott test taken 3 days after the Roche test in November was negative, taken by a friend who works in a lab, she was curious as had not seen antibodies last so long.
You have Roche positive test results for so long! I have taken one in August and now am curious to repeat, will test again in January.
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Old 30.12.2020, 13:19
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How/why are you all getting antibody tests? Curiosities sake?
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Old 30.12.2020, 13:23
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How/why are you all getting antibody tests? Curiosities sake?
I doubt that. People still need to have blood tests done, for other reasons. So it's easy to add it on the list.

Labs can do it retroactively, too, if they freeze your blood sample.
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Old 30.12.2020, 13:26
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How/why are you all getting antibody tests? Curiosities sake?
If you have antibodies then you are essentially already vaccinated or might even be a vaccine
Why does anybody without symptoms get a PCR test? An illness so severe the majority of people a need a test to tell them they are ill!
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If you have antibodies then you are essentially already vaccinated or might even be a vaccine
Why does anybody without symptoms get a PCR test? An illness so severe the majority of people a need a test to tell them they are ill!
Predictability is worth a lot in our society.

Why do people get on a pill when they know it's not the best for them, long term?

And having antibodies today doesn't say you will have them next week. Plus, PCR validity is so short term, too. That's my main gripe - the data expires too fast to effectively employ any big measures, imho. That's the nature of the beast (non-literally).
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