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Why does anybody without symptoms get a PCR test? An illness so severe the majority of people need a test to tell them they are ill!

Yes, it is all a bit of mind***k! The whole Corona thing is so weird on so many levels, medical situation, political response, public reaction etc!


I used to find the world crazy pre-corona, but post-corona I myself have become crazy



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Old 30.12.2020, 14:11
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Yes, it is all a bit of mind***k! The whole Corona thing is so weird on so many levels, medical situation, political response, public reaction etc!


I used to find the world crazy pre-corona, but post-corona I myself have become crazy



I really just want it to be post-corona already. No mindf..k there.
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If you have antibodies then you are essentially already vaccinated or might even be a vaccine
Why does anybody without symptoms get a PCR test? An illness so severe the majority of people a need a test to tell them they are ill!
If people are asymptomatic and infectious, could be helpful to know so you don‘t go around infecting others. Especially if you‘re in contact with a lot of people.
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Old 30.12.2020, 14:27
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If people are asymptomatic and infectious, could be helpful to know so you don‘t go around infecting others. Especially if you‘re in contact with a lot of people.
Front line workers, who have been vaccinated, could well be infected whilst asymptomatic, just as confused as you
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Vaccinated person dies - connection with vaccine unclear
A person died in Switzerland who received a coronavirus vaccination at the end of December. It is not known whether there was a connection with the vaccination.

In Switzerland, a person died after being vaccinated against the coronavirus. "We are aware of the case," said a spokeswoman for the health department of the canton of Lucerne on Wednesday to the Reuters news agency.

The authorities reported to the Swiss Agency for Therapeutic Products, Swissmedic, which is responsible for the approval of vaccines. The spokeswoman gave no further details. She did not provide any information on whether the death was related to the vaccination.

https://www.20min.ch/story/geimpfte-...r-867760173148
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Old 30.12.2020, 14:42
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Front line workers, who have been vaccinated, could well be infected whilst asymptomatic, just as confused as you
I’m more confused as to why you think the test is not so useful.
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Old 30.12.2020, 14:51
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Yes - I am fairly sure I had it at the end of Feb...never experienced anything like it and I had spent time in company from people who had just returned from Lombardy.

I can never know for sure - I had the Roche antibody test 6 months after, and did not test positive for antibodies ... but the certainty I had it somehow gave me peace during the first wave as I thought I must be immune. The only other reason why I think I may not have had it, is that I was in contact with many people at work during my first symptoms, and nobody seemed to contract the virus ...
There was a nasty flu virus circulating at the end of December, January and February which confuses things a bit.
It could have been Covid but it could equally well not have been, a lot of people tested negative for antibodies who thought they might have had Covid early on, it’s difficult to say for certain what they actually had.
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Old 30.12.2020, 14:58
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A person died in Switzerland who received a coronavirus vaccination at the end of December. It is not known whether there was a connection with the vaccination.

In Switzerland, a person died after being vaccinated against the coronavirus. "We are aware of the case," said a spokeswoman for the health department of the canton of Lucerne on Wednesday to the Reuters news agency.

The authorities reported to the Swiss Agency for Therapeutic Products, Swissmedic, which is responsible for the approval of vaccines. The spokeswoman gave no further details. She did not provide any information on whether the death was related to the vaccination.

https://www.20min.ch/story/geimpfte-...r-867760173148
I wonder if this person died because “of” the vaccine is going to be related to people dying “of” Covid because they had a positive test 28 days before? (ie no relationship at all)
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Yes, it is all a bit of mind***k! The whole Corona thing is so weird on so many levels, medical situation, political response, public reaction etc!


I used to find the world crazy pre-corona, but post-corona I myself have become crazy



I heard someone say the other day that they remembered a time when sick people without symptoms were called healthy.

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Old 30.12.2020, 15:07
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If people are asymptomatic and infectious, could be helpful to know so you don‘t go around infecting others. Especially if you‘re in contact with a lot of people.
and especially if you are in contact with people who are particularly at risk. As I have tested positive, with symptoms, OH will be automatically tested next week to know if he can have the vaccine or not.
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How/why are you all getting antibody tests? Curiosities sake?
The company that I work for has offered free antibodies test for all employees. My husband and I both tested because it was available.
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There was a nasty flu virus circulating at the end of December, January and February which confuses things a bit.
It could have been Covid but it could equally well not have been, a lot of people tested negative for antibodies who thought they might have had Covid early on, it’s difficult to say for certain what they actually had.
I picked up something very nasty right at the end of January on the last day of a ski holiday in Livigno. No idea if it was covid or not but it put me in bed for over a week.
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The company that I work for has offered free antibodies test for all employees. My husband and I both tested because it was available.

I just got one last week as part of a study, because......


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I picked up something very nasty right at the end of January on the last day of a ski holiday in Livigno. No idea if it was covid or not but it put me in bed for over a week.
In late December last year, I had something rotten. Lots of fever up and down and coughing for like 3 weeks, into January.
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Old 30.12.2020, 15:28
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School ski trips here have dealth with a serious respiratory bug last end of Jan/beginning of Feb. But I think that's what it was, not CV.
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Old 30.12.2020, 15:37
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I’m more confused as to why you think the test is not so useful.
Unless you have one every day, it's usefulness is somewhat limited.
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I am seriously concerned it will get approved here - the Swiss authorities have already said that you cannot choose which vaccine you can receive. I do not want 70% effectiveness over 90+% effectiveness.
that's just political. UK approves its home-made vax, despite lower efficacy and insufficient statistics (less than half of test shots made by Pfizer/Moderna before submitting for approval), which has been suspended twice on concerns over major side effects (not confirmed later to be caused by the vax though, but still). I don't think it will get approved anywhere else anytime soon. Probably a good choice for 3rd world countries (like UK ) for low price and easy logistics.

In any case, I would only start worrying if they approved and shipped Sputnik here.
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There was a nasty flu virus circulating at the end of December, January and February which confuses things a bit.
It could have been Covid but it could equally well not have been, a lot of people tested negative for antibodies who thought they might have had Covid early on, it’s difficult to say for certain what they actually had.
Very possible! But it wasn’t like a flu bug I’ve had before. With the flu, it normally hits me right away and I’m out. With this one, I was achy & tired / on & off fever for a few days and then bam - out & very sick. I also am lucky never to get a cough & did this time with very sharp chest pains - it was on the 28th of Feb ... who knows.
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https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...dose-will-cost

Moderna, a two-dose vaccine, recently announced each dose will go for around $32 to $37.

The Pfizer vaccine, also given in two doses, is expected to cost $19.50 a dose.

Each dose for Johnson & Johnson’s two-dose vaccine will cost an estimated $10, and AstraZeneca’s two-dose vaccine could be the cheapest at just $3 to $4 a dose.

Novavax’s two-dose vaccine is estimated to be $16 a dose.

But this is just a shot price? Taking into account the cost of logistics, storage, administration and staff this would flat out, at least in rich countries. I'm pretty certain it will be 100+ CHF in any case on the insurance receipt.
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Old 30.12.2020, 16:03
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A person died in Switzerland who received a coronavirus vaccination at the end of December. It is not known whether there was a connection with the vaccination.

In Switzerland, a person died after being vaccinated against the coronavirus. "We are aware of the case," said a spokeswoman for the health department of the canton of Lucerne on Wednesday to the Reuters news agency.

The authorities reported to the Swiss Agency for Therapeutic Products, Swissmedic, which is responsible for the approval of vaccines. The spokeswoman gave no further details. She did not provide any information on whether the death was related to the vaccination.

https://www.20min.ch/story/geimpfte-...r-867760173148
Curiously, has any more information been released about that? I did a Google translate on the article in your link, but it doesn't say anything in terms of the person's age or symptoms related to the cause of death, etc.
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Curiously, has any more information been released about that? I did a Google translate on the article in your link, but it doesn't say anything in terms of the person's age or symptoms related to the cause of death, etc.
It says this person was from the care centre, so I'd assume very old and perhaps already in ill health. Could die from anything.
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