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Re: Coronavirus

No new measures before 6 January:

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There was a nasty flu virus circulating at the end of December, January and February which confuses things a bit.
The level of excess deaths last winter was very low, so the flu virus was probably not so nasty in the end.
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Old 30.12.2020, 15:31
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I wonder if this person died because “of” the vaccine is going to be related to people dying “of” Covid because they had a positive test 28 days before? (ie no relationship at all)
Yes, the 28 day thing probably catches a small number that dies of things other than Covid. It also misses quite a few that die after the 28 days. Up to 7 or 8 weeks isn't at all unusual.

Just look at the excess mortality figures and you will easily see that the reported numbers are in the right area.
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Old 30.12.2020, 15:39
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Re: Coronavirus

Today: 5424/303/94. 29500 tests.

R (20.12.) at 0.74 ...

Also, good graphs on excess mortality. The 2020 timeline is quite interesting, and Switzerland's management of the second wave seems to stick out.

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#map-of-z-scores

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Old 30.12.2020, 16:45
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Re: Coronavirus

I just saw in the news that a 41-year old Congressman-elect has just died from COVID in the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/29/p...vid/index.html

"Congressman-elect Luke Letlow has died after being diagnosed with Covid-19, his spokesman confirmed Tuesday evening.
"Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, 41, passed away this evening at Ochsner-LSU Health Shreveport due to complications from COVID-19," Letlow spokesman Andrew Bautsch wrote in a post on the Republican congressman-elect's Facebook page."
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Old 30.12.2020, 16:53
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It says this person was from the care centre, so I'd assume very old and perhaps already in ill health. Could die from anything.
No doubt will be clarified as a COVID death!
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Old 30.12.2020, 17:01
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No doubt will be clarified as a COVID death!
I suspect that more information will be released, in time, regarding the cause of death. But of course that person had only received one dose of the vaccine, so they were not yet immune to the COVID virus. I read in the news a bit ago that a nurse in the US has just tested positive for COVID one week after receiving the first vaccine dose. He could have potentially contracted the virus prior to receiving that first vaccine dose, though.

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Old 30.12.2020, 17:03
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I wonder if this person died because “of” the vaccine is going to be related to people dying “of” Covid because they had a positive test 28 days before? (ie no relationship at all)
Media back home have been reporting deaths "with Covid" for months. The terminology had changed, not sure if it helps...11500 deaths in such a short time.
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Old 30.12.2020, 17:12
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Re: Coronavirus

I think it's silly to be pedantic about it. The term "of" or "with," etc. People die from complications caused by the COVID virus and the inflammation that it causes which hinders their oxygen supply, which in turn can result in organ failure.

That's one of the reasons why it's so important to have proper vitamin D levels right now -- because vitamin D fights inflammation in the body.
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Excess mortality does not lie, regardless of "with" or "of".

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Re: Coronavirus

In Israel two persons died shortly after vaccination already, a 75 yo (heart attack) and 88 yo. In both cases medics believe that there is no connection to vaccination.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/88-y...ncident-653721
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Excess mortality does not lie, regardless of "with" or "of".
Including the direct result of lockdown, so because of, in addition to with or of.
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Old 30.12.2020, 17:41
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If you have antibodies then you are essentially already vaccinated or might even be a vaccine
Why does anybody without symptoms get a PCR test? An illness so severe the majority of people a need a test to tell them they are ill!
Tue Dec 22nd I took a test, I felt great, just needed a test to be sure I would not have any problems getting through Schiphol when I flew on the 24th. Also my GF in the NL wanted to be sure I was not infected as I would be having a family lunch with her elderly parents.

Wed 24th also feeling great and excited that I could finally see my GF again after a 4 month break when I got the SMS that I was positive.

Thur 24th, when I was due to fly, I noticed the first symptoms.

So I for one, needed a PCR test to tell me I was ill. And I doubt I'm the only one.
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it's so important to have proper vitamin D levels right now -- because vitamin D fights inflammation in the body.
I think it’s very sensible to use a vitamin D3 supplement through the winter months. I take 5000 iu per day myself (4000 iu is said to be the ideal upper level but up to 10000 iu should not cause toxicity).

I’ve never seen this recommended in the news though. I suspect because it wouldn’t be very profitable.
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I think it’s very sensible to use a vitamin D3 supplement through the winter months. I take 5000 iu per day myself (4000 iu is said to be the ideal upper level but up to 10000 iu should not cause toxicity).

I’ve never seen this recommended in the news though. I suspect because it wouldn’t be very profitable.
Yes, but more importantly get all the sunlight you can.

5000 iu? What is the highest dosage one can buy in CH pharmacies? I have now something with 600 ie per capsule, of which I take 4 per day.

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Yes, but more importantly get all the sunlight you can.

5000 iu? What is the highest dosage one can buy in CH pharmacies? I have now something with 600 ie per capsule.
Sunlight without a doubt is most important and no supplement can replace the need for that. I only supplement in the winter when the sun is lower in the sky and fewer sunlight hours.

Sorry I’ve no idea what’s available in CH pharmacies. I buy mine online.
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Yes, but more importantly get all the sunlight you can.

5000 iu? What is the highest dosage one can buy in CH pharmacies? I have now something with 600 ie per capsule.
What I’m taking now (and have been every winter for the past 4-5 years) is also 600ie. I give the same to my teenage son. The pharmacist told me I could even give it to my younger children, but I didn’t dare.
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Including the direct result of lockdown, so because of, in addition to with or of.
Including all deaths. That is the concept.
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What I’m taking now (and have been every winter for the past 4-5 years) is also 600ie. I give the same to my teenage son. The pharmacist told me I could even give it to my younger children, but I didn’t dare.
My GP told me to take 800 IE per day (recommended dose for adult), not more, as I my blood test showed sufficient level. My husband with vitamin D insufficiency should take 3000 per day for few weeks and after that take the normal dose (800). I don't know why people tend to take 5000 and more per day for months.

As for the small children, vitamin D drops are given to all newborns and it's a very important supplement for them in our climate, so I believe there is no minimal age limit, only the dosage should be correct for the age.
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Including the direct result of lockdown, so because of, in addition to with or of.
This is a good point. It’s estimated up to 40% of excess deaths were caused by the lockdown.
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