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Re: Coronavirus

The Washington Post reported today (behind a paywall, sorry) that one in 1,000 of all Americans who were alive at the beginning of 2020 have now died from COVID-19.

The total COVID-19 death toll in the US is now a staggering 330,000 deaths. The Post has put together a photo montage of 330,000 individual headshots to give readers an idea of just how large a number of people that is—presumably only available online, as it would take literally thousands of pages to print all those photos on paper.

If you can view the article (a paywall-free version is also circulating on Facebook), it presents very sobering viewing.
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Correct. You did not get my point.
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Correct. You did not get my point.
Perhaps you could elucidate your point more clearly in future.
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Perhaps you could elucidate your point more clearly in future.
Why bother? Most people got it, the rest can be taken to PM.

Btw, I personally believe that at least 146% of excess deaths were caused by loneliness and without lockdown we would have the net negative excess mortality in 2020.
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Only just been advised by a friend from Vermont to take 5000iu- which seems massive. Just got some and the recommended dose is 400- so happy to increase to 800- but 5000??? Risk of kidney stones, etc. Never taken any before.
I do take 5000 iu a couple times a week. I’ve been taking it for a while because low d3 is implicated in breast cancer. Never had an issue. I get mine from iherb.com in the US. It’s delivered to Switzerland.
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Re: Coronavirus

Thanks- he is advising 5000 daily, and it seems really over the top.

Lucky that up here in the mountains we do not get fog, and have plenty of sunshine and bright light throughout the winter. So I shall start with 800 daily, and see how it goes.
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Thanks- he is advising 5000 daily, and it seems really over the top.

Lucky that up here in the mountains we do not get fog, and have plenty of sunshine and bright light throughout the winter. So I shall start with 800 daily, and see how it goes.
The 'upper tolerable limit' (the amount that can be taken by an adult with no adverse effects garnered from various studies) is 4000 IU per day. People vary in how fast they metabolize vitamin D, so there's a bit of a fudge factor there. The real way to calibrate how much D3 you need is to get an OH(25)D test (from the doctor or can be obtained from online vendors).

I've taken between 5000 and 7000 IU per day long term (with vitamin K2) and measure nearly at the top of the testing range (about 180 nmol/l - deficiency is below 75 nmol/l; toxicity is considered to start at about 250 nmol/l). I also get my calcium level tested (this would go out of whack with excessive vitamin D) and this always tests normal.

In my view, the government should be handing out vitamin D3 (like they do with iodine) as a COVID-19 preventative. 2000 IU per day should get most people to between 75 and 100 nmol/l (which is a reasonable place to be if you were previously deficient, as most people are).
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The Washington Post reported today (behind a paywall, sorry) that one in 1,000 of all Americans who were alive at the beginning of 2020 have now died from COVID-19.

The total COVID-19 death toll in the US is now a staggering 330,000 deaths. The Post has put together a photo montage of 330,000 individual headshots to give readers an idea of just how large a number of people that is—presumably only available online, as it would take literally thousands of pages to print all those photos on paper.

If you can view the article (a paywall-free version is also circulating on Facebook), it presents very sobering viewing.
Switzerland and Liechtenstein together passed 7000 death today

7005 cases

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/epid...ive&detRel=abs
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Old 30.12.2020, 23:38
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The Washington Post reported today (behind a paywall, sorry) that one in 1,000 of all Americans who were alive at the beginning of 2020 have now died from COVID-19.
That really is mind-blowing, isn't it? And especially when you think of it in those terms... 1 in 1,000. And here the country's president has literally been telling people that it's nothing to worry about. Which really just makes it all the more mind-blowing.

On Xmas day, my sister in the US was having a get-together with the extended family () and her step-daughter was supposed to come with her boyfriend. She called that morning to say she couldn't make it because she wasn't feeling well and then called back later to say she had just tested positive for the virus.
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Old 30.12.2020, 23:41
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At least. More like 80, I guess, in first wave mostly caused by us here in Switzerland unable to leave the house. Most excess deaths in second wave caused by people unable to eat out after 2200, 1900, at all.
He’s not lying. After all “up to 40%” clearly includes 0%
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Thanks- he is advising 5000 daily, and it seems really over the top.

Lucky that up here in the mountains we do not get fog, and have plenty of sunshine and bright light throughout the winter. So I shall start with 800 daily, and see how it goes.
Unfortunately the sun here is too weak from November to mid February (roughly) to help much with vitamin D production.

http://www.snf.ch/en/researchinFocus...in-winter.aspx

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Old 30.12.2020, 23:44
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The 'upper tolerable limit' (the amount that can be taken by an adult with no adverse effects garnered from various studies) is 4000 IU per day. People vary in how fast they metabolize vitamin D, so there's a bit of a fudge factor there. The real way to calibrate how much D3 you need is to get an OH(25)D test (from the doctor or can be obtained from online vendors).

I've taken between 5000 and 7000 IU per day long term (with vitamin K2) and measure nearly at the top of the testing range (about 180 nmol/l - deficiency is below 75 nmol/l; toxicity is considered to start at about 250 nmol/l). I also get my calcium level tested (this would go out of whack with excessive vitamin D) and this always tests normal.

In my view, the government should be handing out vitamin D3 (like they do with iodine) as a COVID-19 preventative. 2000 IU per day should get most people to between 75 and 100 nmol/l (which is a reasonable place to be if you were previously deficient, as most people are).
Interesting... Does K2 help with absorption? I know that magnesium is necessary for the body to metabolize vitamin D but I guess I've never heard anything about K2 before. (I'll have to look that up; maybe I should take it).

I was a bit surprised last November when my vit D was found to be a bit low -- a score of 19 when it should be 25 or higher -- and my doctor told me to take the very high dose (.8 mL) of the therapie drops every day, all winter long (along with magnesium), whereas before when it was low, I was always told to just take .8 mL daily for one month and then the regular dose after that, each day. This was also the first time the dr. has ever told me to take magnesium with the vitamin D. It seems that some doctors are really pushing higher doses this year. But I know that vitamin D toxicity can happen (and is somewhat common), and I do worry about that.
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That really is mind-blowing, isn't it? And especially when you think of it in those terms... 1 in 1,000. And here the country's president has literally been telling people that it's nothing to worry about. Which really just makes it all the more mind-blowing.

On Xmas day, my sister in the US was having a get-together with the extended family () and her step-daughter was supposed to come with her boyfriend. She called that morning to say she couldn't make it because she wasn't feeling well and then called back later to say she had just tested positive for the virus.
Not dissimilar to the death rate in Switzerland.
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Re: Coronavirus

I was looking at the stats for CH a bit ago on worldometers.info, and I noticed that the number of "currently infected" / active cases here has risen rather dramatically since about December 15th. Does anyone know why or have any ideas as to why? I guess I was thinking that the # of new daily cases here had become somewhat stable (not increasing dramatically), so I'm wondering what the reason might be for the dramatic rise in the # of currently infected here in the past two weeks. It had been going down and then suddenly there was a shift to an upward trend.

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Not dissimilar to the death rate in Switzerland.
Yes 1 out of 1235
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I was looking at the stats for CH a bit ago on worldometers.info, and I noticed that the number of "currently infected" / active cases here has risen rather dramatically since about December 15th. Does anyone know why or have any ideas as to why? I guess I was thinking that the # of new daily cases here had become somewhat stable (not increasing dramatically), so I'm wondering what the reason might be for the dramatic rise in the # of currently infected here in the past two weeks. It had been going down and then suddenly there was a shift to an upward trend.

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I suspect that the recovered numbers haven't been logged. Numbers infected have been stable for quite a while now.
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I was looking at the stats for CH a bit ago on worldometers.info, and I noticed that the number of "currently infected" / active cases here has risen rather dramatically since about December 15th. Does anyone know why or have any ideas as to why?
I don't think Switzerland has an accurate reporting of this value so I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
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Yes 1 out of 1235
Still, America first, despite all our government's attempts to beat them this fall.
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Re: Coronavirus

So, it seems that the UK measures are reducing old coronavirus types, but not this new "super" Covid which looks poised to totally overrun the NHS and is exponentially growing despite an effective lockdown in London and the south east.

Will they finally order at risk people to stay at home and deliver food to their door?

If not, there will be a lot of deaths unless they can roll out the vaccine very quickly.

Continental Europe has a lead of several weeks but seems intent on squandering it with bureaucracy. We need immediate vaccination and to be ready to enforce strict stay at home on vulnerable people.
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So, it seems that the UK measures are reducing old coronavirus types, but not this new "super" Covid which looks poised to totally overrun the NHS and is exponentially growing despite an effective lockdown in London and the south east.

Will they finally order at risk people to stay at home and deliver food to their door?

If not, there will be a lot of deaths unless they can roll out the vaccine very quickly.
This is really insane, if this stuff settles here I expect we will have full-scale curfew with biweekly "shopping tokens" and complete shutdown until summer. I still hope that this is just Christmas-specific and the lockdown will steadily bring this down by February.
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Just as an aside, I am wondering 'how many of the research scientists working on those vaccines are Brexiters'- would love to know.
I'm not a vaccine scientist but have a 1st from Oxford and a doctorate in a hard science subject. Not everyone with a brain voted remain.
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