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I'm feeling increasingly frustrated with the Swiss government. A bit ago, I checked Swissinfo.com (because it's one of the few sites here that is in English) and one of the main headlines is "Swiss government decides against further Covid restrictions." And then right next to that is another headline saying "Covid taskforce: ‘Switzerland must get out of the risk zone’ -- where the Covid taskforce is warning that we desperately need to take stronger measures.

I'm seriously tempted to refuse to send my 9-year old back to school on Monday. I know it's just a matter of time until he brings that virus home.

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So, it seems that the UK measures are reducing old coronavirus types, but not this new "super" Covid which looks poised to totally overrun the NHS and is exponentially growing despite an effective lockdown in London and the south east.

Will they finally order at risk people to stay at home and deliver food to their door?

If not, there will be a lot of deaths unless they can roll out the vaccine very quickly.
I wonder how many people there actually have been socially distancing and limiting their contact to only people within their household, etc. My friend in the UK (just outside of London) got together with his extended family as usual for Christmas, despite being in Tier 4. I think there are too many people out there who seem to think that it's unlikely for them to catch the virus, but of course that's probably what most or many people think until they do get it.
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I'm feeling increasingly frustrated with the Swiss government. A bit ago, I checked Swissinfo.com (because it's one of the few sites here that is in English) and one of the main headlines is "Swiss government decides against further Covid restrictions." And then right next to that is another headline saying "Covid taskforce: ‘Switzerland must get out of the risk zone’ -- where the Covid taskforce is warning that we desperately need to take stronger measures.

I'm seriously tempted to refuse to send my 9-year old back to school on Monday. I know it's just a matter of time until he brings that virus home.



I wonder how many people there actually have been socially distancing and limiting their contact to only people within their household, etc. My friend in the UK (just outside of London) got together with his extended family as usual for Christmas, despite being in Tier 4. I think there are too many people out there who seem to think that it's unlikely for them to catch the virus, but of course that's probably what most or many people think until they do get it.
Agreed. I'm getting to the point of immense frustration - I've completely removed all social interactions despite being at next to zero risk but I see much older people living it large every day. My only social or dining activity has been outside back in the summer.

We've had people even on here pushing for greater restrictions while also simultaneously asking for recommendations for restaurants for dining with their octogenarian relatives while cases are sky high.
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Agreed. I'm getting to the point of immense frustration - I've completely removed all social interactions despite being at next to zero risk but I see much older people living it large every day. My only social or dining activity has been outside back in the summer.

We've had people even on here pushing for greater restrictions while also simultaneously asking for recommendations for restaurants for dining with their octogenarian relatives while cases are sky high.
Same here, last time went out in the beginning of the fall when cases were still in hundreds.

But unfortunately the biggest frustration is still ahead. Thousands of people at risk (old and young) will refuse to get vaccinated for a variety of reasons. Who are we making all this sacrifice for I wonder?

I have the impression that most of the people for some reason decided that they will win the asymptomatic lottery.
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Same here, last time went out in the beginning of the fall when cases were still in hundreds.

But unfortunately the biggest frustration is still ahead. Thousands of people at risk (old and young) will refuse to get vaccinated for a variety of reasons. Who are we making all this sacrifice for I wonder?

I have the impression that most of the people for some reason decided that they will win the asymptomatic lottery.
Refusing to get vaccinated if you are middle aged or older is just a Darwinian fail. I don't mind though - it'll push me up the queue and towards my own personal freedom!

Regarding the "Asymptomatic lottery" - it's amazing how many people beyond working age but not in a home are still getting the disease. Clearly some are unlucky but I'll bet most have been taking liberties.
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Old 31.12.2020, 10:28
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I wonder how many people there actually have been socially distancing and limiting their contact to only people within their household, etc.

I was social distancing before Corona already. Corona just gave me a better excuse
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Old 31.12.2020, 10:45
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Interesting... Does K2 help with absorption? I know that magnesium is necessary for the body to metabolize vitamin D but I guess I've never heard anything about K2 before. (I'll have to look that up; maybe I should take it).
Magnesium is definitely necessary for vitamin D metabolization. So if you're deficient (half of people are), you need to supplement.

In a nutshell: vitamin D makes calcium available to the body via a set of proteins called 'vitamin K2-dependent proteins' (MGP and osteocalcin are the primary ones). In order to get the calcium into your bones (where it's sorely needed), these proteins have to be carboxylated with K2. In the absence of sufficient K2, the calcium could be dumped into soft tissues. If the soft tissues are the arteries (which they will be), then this is basically atherosclerosis (coronary heart disease). It's no coincidence that a primary diagnostic tool of atherosclerosis is a coronary calcium scan.

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I was a bit surprised last November when my vit D was found to be a bit low -- a score of 19 when it should be 25 or higher -- and my doctor told me to take the very high dose (.8 mL) of the therapie drops every day, all winter long (along with magnesium), whereas before when it was low, I was always told to just take .8 mL daily for one month and then the regular dose after that, each day. This was also the first time the dr. has ever told me to take magnesium with the vitamin D. It seems that some doctors are really pushing higher doses this year. But I know that vitamin D toxicity can happen (and is somewhat common), and I do worry about that.
It's worth at this point to mention the two ways vitamin D levels are measured. In the US, the units are mg/dl; in the rest of the world (mostly), it's nmol/l. In Switzerland, I've seen labs use both units. The conversion between the two is a factor of 2.5. Your score of 19 is almost certainly in mg/dl and this would equate to 47.5 nmol/l. My score of 180 nmol/l would equate to 72 mg/dl.

Needless to say, 19 mg/dl is really low (but quite common). Looking into compendium.ch, free-form liquid D3 seems to be in concentrations between 400 UI and 4000 UI per ml. Which one are you taking? Even at 4000 UI per ml, 0.8 ml is not a high dose and is something you could take long term.

As regards to vitamin D toxicity, it's really not common at all (deficiency is a much bigger worry). Here are a couple of papers where it's discussed:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6158375/

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.or...244-X/fulltext

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In statements released over the last decade, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) and the Endocrine Society have both concluded that acute VDT is extremely rare in the literature, that serum 25(OH)D concentrations must exceed 150 ng/ml (375 nmol/l), and that other factors, such as calcium intake, may affect the risk of developing hypercalcemia and VDT. Regardless of additional risk factors for VDT, many studies provided evidence that vitamin D is probably one of the least toxic fat-soluble vitamins, much less toxic than vitamin A.
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I'm feeling increasingly frustrated with the Swiss government. A bit ago, I checked Swissinfo.com (because it's one of the few sites here that is in English) and one of the main headlines is "Swiss government decides against further Covid restrictions." And then right next to that is another headline saying "Covid taskforce: ‘Switzerland must get out of the risk zone’ -- where the Covid taskforce is warning that we desperately need to take stronger measures.

I'm seriously tempted to refuse to send my 9-year old back to school on Monday. I know it's just a matter of time until he brings that virus home.



I wonder how many people there actually have been socially distancing and limiting their contact to only people within their household, etc. My friend in the UK (just outside of London) got together with his extended family as usual for Christmas, despite being in Tier 4. I think there are too many people out there who seem to think that it's unlikely for them to catch the virus, but of course that's probably what most or many people think until they do get it.
Was just reading the swedish news. Several ministers including the prime minister were caught beeing busy in shopping centers
All this while advising everyone else to stay at home....
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Old 31.12.2020, 11:13
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I just saw in the news that a 41-year old Congressman-elect has just died from COVID in the US.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/29/p...vid/index.html

"Congressman-elect Luke Letlow has died after being diagnosed with Covid-19, his spokesman confirmed Tuesday evening.
"Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, 41, passed away this evening at Ochsner-LSU Health Shreveport due to complications from COVID-19," Letlow spokesman Andrew Bautsch wrote in a post on the Republican congressman-elect's Facebook page."
#fakenews; our EF colleagues assure us that only people aged over 80 actually die from COVID-19.

Also in the US reported daily deaths are now touching 4,000.

Trump's claim of 20 million vaccinations before year-end is falling massively short. At the current rate, it is estimated it will take ten years to vaccinate everybody, let us hope the low end of forecasts of immunity for only six months are "bigly" wrong.
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Only just been advised by a friend from Vermont to take 5000iu- which seems massive. Just got some and the recommended dose is 400- so happy to increase to 800- but 5000??? Risk of kidney stones, etc. Never taken any before.
Ive read in several sources that up to 5000IU considered as safe. Also need to take Magnesium along with vit. D, so it will be adsorbed in right way
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Just had a harrowing post from a niece who is a GP in Cape Town, and had recently closed her practice to go and work on Covid wards at the local hospital. Having to make constant choices on who to treat or not, who will get oxygen or not- and confirming deaths all the time. Just horrendous.
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Old 31.12.2020, 11:35
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How are you doing JackieH and how is Grumpy doing? Hope you both feel better soon!
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Ah thanks- for me, just a bad cold- head like a woolie football and feeling weak and feeble- and not getting worse, nor better. Taking it easy and starting to do lung GiGung and acupressure for immune system, + Vit D3. Just need time. Main thing is that OH, who is much much more at risk- has not caught it- pheeew.
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Magnesium is definitely necessary for vitamin D metabolization. So if you're deficient (half of people are), you need to supplement.

In a nutshell: vitamin D makes calcium available to the body via a set of proteins called 'vitamin K2-dependent proteins' (MGP and osteocalcin are the primary ones). In order to get the calcium into your bones (where it's sorely needed), these proteins have to be carboxylated with K2. In the absence of sufficient K2, the calcium could be dumped into soft tissues. If the soft tissues are the arteries (which they will be), then this is basically atherosclerosis (coronary heart disease). It's no coincidence that a primary diagnostic tool of atherosclerosis is a coronary calcium scan.........
Wow, thank you so much for that! You really know your stuff.

It looks like I should start taking K2 with my vitamin D, then -- and especially since osteoporosis runs in my family. It's so interesting how all of these vitamins and minerals work together in the body. The vitamin D drops that my doctor gave me are indeed 4000 U.I./ml. That's interesting to know that .8 ml daily (of that) is actually NOT an extremely high dose. So thank you for clarifying that! I'm going to start taking the .8 mL per day again then. And I do normally take magnesium (glycinate) before or with the vitamin D.

Also, thank you so much for clarifying that vitamin D toxicity is actually not as common as I had I thought. That does make me feel more at ease about taking the higher dose of it.

Thank you again.
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Re: Coronavirus

Me and my wife got it as well > 10 days ago
For my wife in her 34 it was 1 day of temp around 37, headache 1-2 days and lost of taste and smell, which is now returns
For me in my 47 it was 1 day headache and partial lost of smell (I can smell coffee but not out dog poop. win-win ). No temp. Prior to this I took Vit C/D + Cink for several months
It seems it was brought by our kids from school (several days before, the schools send message that there is a virus in the school).
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hope you get better soon. Note: 37 is normal temperature (unless like me your normal temp is 36.5).
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#fakenews; our EF colleagues assure us that only people aged over 80 actually die from COVID-19.

Also in the US reported daily deaths are now touching 4,000.

Trump's claim of 20 million vaccinations before year-end is falling massively short. At the current rate, it is estimated it will take ten years to vaccinate everybody, let us hope the low end of forecasts of immunity for only six months are "bigly" wrong.
In your early forties your chances of dying are c. 1-2% that of an 85 year old.

In your early twenties it's about 0.1%-0.2% in comparison to the 85 year old.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...er-adults.html

Nobody is saying that nobody young dies. It's just important at this time of vaccine prioritisation to emphasise that age is in general a far bigger determinant of risk than medical history.
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It looks like I should start taking K2 with my vitamin D, then -- and especially since osteoporosis runs in my family. It's so interesting how all of these vitamins and minerals work together in the body. The vitamin D drops that my doctor gave me are indeed 4000 U.I./ml. That's interesting to know that .8 ml daily (of that) is actually NOT an extremely high dose. So thank you for clarifying that! I'm going to start taking the .8 mL per day again then. And I do normally take magnesium (glycinate) before or with the vitamin D.
I like this one (I take a higher dose version of it):

https://ch.iherb.com/pr/Jarrow-Formu...0-Softgels/256

Take it with the vitamin D3 (ideally with fat-containing food in the morning).

Magnesium glycinate is great. The glycine part of it supplements something that most people are short of (because they're not eating connective tissue and bone broth) and is vital for collagen production (the key to staying young looking...). Ideally, I would take that before bedtime; both the magnesium and the glycine are good sleep aids.
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In your early forties your chances of dying are c. 1-2% that of an 85 year old.

In your early twenties it's about 0.1%-0.2% in comparison to the 85 year old.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...er-adults.html

Nobody is saying that nobody young dies.
Exactly. And this is why age composition of societies to a large extent explains observed mortality.

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I am afraid that Magnesium goes straight through me, unpleasant!

So will make sure I will take as many magnesium rich foods, like avocados, nuts and seeds... oh and dark 70+ chocolate.
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Exactly. And this is why age composition of societies to a large extent explains observed mortality.

Theres been a lot of people in their twenties and thirties "shielding" because of having type 1 diabetes, survived cancer etc. who are at a waaay lower risk than a "healthy" 75 year old who still thinks it's fine to visit a restaurant.

That's not a complaint against the former as everyone has the right to protect themselves from potential harm - but there's been too little in place to stop the disease passing to the elderly (taking care homes out of the equation)
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