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Spoke with my friend recently ... he and his wife are 32 and had COVID-19 about 5 weeks back. All seemed fine, but now the wife has developed asthma after the virus and had to be rushed to the hospital in the night because she could not breathe. She is now on steroids and they are hoping it has not become a permanent problem...
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Old 02.01.2021, 11:02
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Do you think the current semi-lockdown in Switzerland/ZH that is until 22nd January will get extended?

Am I correct in understanding that the decision might be made on the 6th of January?
I haven't seen any dates for a review of current restrictions.
I guess it depends on the figures after Christmas and New Year.
I wish they only held press conferences when they ACTUALLY had some important news! They seem to have them without giving any real information out.

And they are still allowing some ski resorts to stay open!! Absolutely infuriating and selfish decision!

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Spoke with my friend recently ... he and his wife are 32 and had COVID-19 about 5 weeks back. All seemed fine, but now the wife has developed asthma after the virus and had to be rushed to the hospital in the night because she could not breathe. She is now on steroids and they are hoping it has not become a permanent problem...
I hope she is ok and has no long lasting effects.

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Old 02.01.2021, 11:10
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Yeah, and I suspect that the Swiss authorities will wait until that strain has spread throughout much of the population to try to do anything about it. They don't seem too keen on preventative measures. They'd apparently rather wait and just try to put a "Band Aid" on a situation that has already become much, much worse.
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I believe they are the secret herd immunity concept admirers here. Their decision to allow big gatherings in October just as things were slowly getting out of control in September made me think so.
I suspect it's all about the ski season.. For both financial reasons and the morale of the people.
People here see skiing as a basic human right, like driving everywhere for Americans .. I can see the resorts staying open regardless of covid numbers and then a token closure in March again.
Plus the financial side, tens of thousands are employed there, mostly seasonal workers who would need to be supported if the jobs all vanished. Plus the huge investments in the infrastructure, the govt would probably need to pick up the pieces if a medium-large resort failed.

I suspect this is a game the govt are playing where they don't want to be seen to close literally everything except the ski resorts so they keep some other stuff open too, avoid total closures so that the resorts can be part of that.

Personally I might go ski at my local place 5 mins away from me but i don't think i'll travel to any of the big resorts this year. A silly little accident could be a real pain in the ass, imagine one of the kids gets hurt and the nearest hospital is full and they get shipped to somewhere else and parents are not allowed to accompany etc etc..
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Which is highly irresponsible, no one knows for sure what long term consequences of Covid are, it certainly does some very unusual things, for example:

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2020/12/...nds-new-study/

I would not want myself or anyone who means something to me to be infected with it in any case, not today, not tomorrow.
Relax, we will just become zombie-mutants with spike-proteins sticking out of our bodies one day.

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Let's remember that civil liberties and personal responsibility is a thing. Lockdowns are the exception not the rule.

Yes when people are dying in significant numbers that's a reason to restrict liberty. Talking about vague and uncommon side effects isn't. Influenza can also cause post-viral fatigue syndrome.

Anyone under c. 30 has more to fear from influenza than Covid - "the risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19." CDC.

"based on mid-range assumptions, it appears that those under 25 have a significantly lower risk of dying from COVID-19 vs. the flu, while those over 35 are at significantly greater risk. Those over 75, in particular, are at the greatest risk of dying from COVID-19."

At 32 I'm probably roughly at the point where the diseases have comparable risk. When the risk of passing the disease onto old and vulnerable people is gone we younger people must be set free.
I'd rather sit at home extra 3 months and wait for the shot than play a genetic lottery with unpredictable long-term side effects.

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Old 02.01.2021, 11:56
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Covid-19: New variant 'raises R number by up to 0.7
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55507012

"The new variant of Covid-19 is "hugely" more transmissible than the virus's previous version, a study has found.

It concludes the new variant increases the Reproduction or R number by between 0.4 and 0.7.

The UK's latest R number has been estimated at between 1.1 and 1.3. It needs to be below 1.0 for the number of cases to start falling.

Prof Axel Gandy of London's Imperial College said the differences between the viruses types was "quite extreme".

"There is a huge difference in how easily the variant virus spreads," he told BBC News.,"This is the most serious change in the virus since the epidemic began," he added."


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Im not sure that an increase of "0.4 to 0.7" is a sensible way to express it. It should be given as a % of the previous R.





https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-globa...cov-2-variant/
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Old 02.01.2021, 12:32
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Relax, we will just become zombie-mutants with spike-proteins sticking out of our bodies one day.



I'd rather sit at home extra 3 months and wait for the shot than play a genetic lottery with unpredictable long-term side effects.
Except it is a luxury for most that I know. The choice between catching the virus and playing the genetic lottery does not look appealing but is real. Although most that can actually sit home waiting it out, also have kids who cannot sit home and wait it out. So the protection of those waiting it out is very limited.

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Old 02.01.2021, 12:41
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I'd rather sit at home extra 3 months and wait for the shot than play a genetic lottery with unpredictable long-term side effects.
Iíd happily sit at home and do nothing.... unfortunately I have to go to work or Iíll end up hungry and homeless.
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Old 02.01.2021, 12:54
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Relax, we will just become zombie-mutants with spike-proteins sticking out of our bodies one day.
Shall we get started by wearing these spiked hats?



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Old 02.01.2021, 13:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Is there some analysis how widespread this new variant already might be on the continent? I keep reading about this being identified in spots here and there, but given that all coutries seem magnitudes behind the UK in genomic sequencing I wonder whether there are extrapolation studies or similar. Also, are we able to step up sequencing quickly?

If/when we reach similar levels of dominance of this strain, we will be in a world of pain. I don't know how serious the UK Tiers are in reality, but on paper Tier 4 looks pretty bad - and is still insufficient to get R below 1.
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Except it is a luxury for most that I know. The choice between catching the virus and playing the genetic lottery does not look appealing but is real. Although most that can actually sit home waiting it out, also have kids who cannot sit home and wait it out. So the protection of those waiting it out is very limited.
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I’d happily sit at home and do nothing.... unfortunately I have to go to work or I’ll end up hungry and homeless.
I do physical work on site and I have to commute 3-4 days a week. What I meant by "sitting at home" is minimizing all non-essential interactions like going shopping 3 times a week, chatting with colleagues at coffee breaks, meeting friends who I miss soo much, avoiding crowded areas/crowded hours etc. This was a reply to counter "younger people must be set free" and not meant literally.
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Old 02.01.2021, 15:10
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This sounds very desperate.

Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts
If a second dose of one vaccine isnít available, another may be substituted, according to new U.K. guidelines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...e=articleShare

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Old 02.01.2021, 15:16
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This sounds very desperate.

Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts
If a second dose of one vaccine isnít available, another may be substituted, according to new U.K. guidelines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...e=articleShare

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Very desperate, indeed.

Soon they'll be substituting the MMR jab, or maybe just recommending shooting up with heroin... anything with a needle should do.

"On a needle she was crucified."

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I do physical work on site and I have to commute 3-4 days a week. What I meant by "sitting at home" is minimizing all non-essential interactions like going shopping 3 times a week, chatting with colleagues at coffee breaks, meeting friends who I miss soo much, avoiding crowded areas/crowded hours etc. This was a reply to counter "younger people must be set free" and not meant literally.
Ok. I agree. But then - what's being sufficiently safe for you isn't the same for somebody who thinks that it translates to having friends over but wear masks while sitting 2m away. Especially in a place that makes sanitary measures recommended but not mandatory. I think I know why, we need compliance and this is how it happens. Setting younger people free is making them more compliant. They don't wait for an approval, anyways.

Looking at CZ - which stuck to draconial measures and still deals with a nightmare just gives me a different perspective, I think. Fatigue sets in, vax will influence it only after a chunk of time to efficiently fight the fatigue. "Setting free" can be the right figure of speech, a symbol, that will still give more energy to keep going, staying safer or feeling more in control.
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Very desperate, indeed.

Soon they'll be substituting the MMR jab, or maybe just recommending shooting up with heroin... anything with a needle should do.
Not at all. They asked a medical expert on the news weeks ago if you can mix and match vaccines, they said that should work absolutely fine!
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Not at all. They asked a medical expert on the news weeks ago if you can mix and match vaccines, they said that should work absolutely fine!
Was that medical expert Donald J. Trump, by any chance?
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Was that medical expert Donald J. Trump, by any chance?
Obviously not

They are already planning trials of just that https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55273907

Surprised they are doing it without trials though, I assume the science tells them that it should work.
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Not at all. They asked a medical expert on the news weeks ago if you can mix and match vaccines, they said that should work absolutely fine!
I am not implying that there is necessarily a big risk from doing this, other than maybe compromising efficacy. I don't know. But boy, we talk months and months about how important proper stage 3 tests are and all this - to then a few weeks in throw all this overboard and suggest cocktails?

But it tells you that UK authorities are shit scared about this new variant.
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Not at all. They asked a medical expert on the news weeks ago if you can mix and match vaccines, they said that should work absolutely fine!
Itís a big gamble and not something Iíd be messing around with.
There is no data available at all on this and the two vaccines currently approved in the UK use two different techniques to introduce the spike protein so basically nobody really knows whether it will work or not.
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I am not implying that there is necessarily a big risk from doing this, other than maybe compromising efficacy. I don't know. But boy, we talk months and months about how important proper stage 3 tests are and all this - to then a few weeks in throw all this overboard and suggest cocktails?

But it tells you that UK authorities are shit scared about this new variant.
This is absolutely insane. Instead they could actually approve straight away other vaccines like Moderna etc. (why is it not approved yet, btw?) and get many more shots immediately instead of mixing random stuff together...


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There is no data available at all on this and the two vaccines currently approved in the UK use two different techniques to introduce the spike protein so basically nobody really knows whether it will work or not.
Indeed. I'd understand if they tried to mix at least same-mechanism vaccines like Pfi and Mrna, but those two they have are completely different
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This is absolutely insane. Instead they could actually approve straight away other vaccines like Moderna etc. (why is it not approved yet, btw?) and get many more shots immediately instead of mixing random stuff together...




Indeed. I'd understand if they tried to mix at least same-mechanism vaccines like Pfi and Mrna, but those two they have are completely different
Moderna is basically sold out, so even if you immediately would approve, you would not get anything anytime soon. Germany has the same issue now.
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