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04.01.2021, 14:32
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Anyone have experience or thoughts on this?
I was tested positive Dec 22nd. My quarantine ended 1st Jan, I feel fine now, just tired still so I called my Dr to ask about a 2nd test so I can fly to NL to have a belated Xmas with my GF.
He told me that if I get tested this week, or even next, it's 95% certain that the test will still come back positive. I have an appointment for a general health check this coming Thursday where he says, as long as he thinks I'm over it, he can give me a "Healthy and safe to travel" letter. He says I won't be contagious at all now but still, a PCR test will probably show positive.
I don't know, it seems like a cheat to me (and very un-Swiss) and I have no idea if the Dutch will allow me in (or even if I'll be allowed to board at ZH). He told me they have issued a few of these and no one has come back to say they were denied travel.
Any ideas? | | | | | The PCR is extremely sensitive and will likely give a positive result when you are no longer infectious. If the doctor says you are safe then I don't think you are doing anything wrong in travelling. They are a professional. If you feel bad going just wait another week.
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04.01.2021, 14:36
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04.01.2021, 14:42
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Anyone have experience or thoughts on this?
I was tested positive Dec 22nd. My quarantine ended 1st Jan, I feel fine now, just tired still so I called my Dr to ask about a 2nd test so I can fly to NL to have a belated Xmas with my GF.
He told me that if I get tested this week, or even next, it's 95% certain that the test will still come back positive. | | | | | My friend wasn't allowed to return to work until she tested negative - it took 4 weeks for her to do so despite not showing symptoms and feeling fine...best wishes.
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04.01.2021, 14:45
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Todays published numbers for thu, fri, sat & sun combined are 9665 out of 63k tests
367 hospitalisations
189 death https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview | The following 4 users would like to thank Sigh for this useful post: | | 
04.01.2021, 15:04
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An overview of the last 3 months: - Peak of new cases around 100 on 1.11.2020
- Decline to 50 new cases by the end of November
- Around 50 new cases since then.
Let's see what happens after lot's of people traveled for Christmas. Next week could be interesting. The sad part is the 2nd wave is awfully long.
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04.01.2021, 15:13
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How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately.
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04.01.2021, 15:27
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately. | | | | | I think its based on residence though?
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04.01.2021, 15:32
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I think its based on residence though? | | | | | It's essential travel only. They were non-residents not traveling for work, so were rejected.
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04.01.2021, 16:08
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | An overview of the last 3 months:  - Peak of new cases around 100 on 1.11.2020
- Decline to 50 new cases by the end of November
- Around 50 new cases since then.
Let's see what happens after lot's of people traveled for Christmas. Next week could be interesting. The sad part is the 2nd wave is awfully long. | | | | | Just to be clear, those numbers you've quoted are per 100,000 of population. So you need to multiply them by about 86 to get the total case numbers for Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Therefore the peak was around 9,000 new cases on 1.11.2000, etc.
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04.01.2021, 16:19
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Anyone have experience or thoughts on this?
I was tested positive Dec 22nd. My quarantine ended 1st Jan, I feel fine now, just tired still so I called my Dr to ask about a 2nd test so I can fly to NL to have a belated Xmas with my GF.
He told me that if I get tested this week, or even next, it's 95% certain that the test will still come back positive. I have an appointment for a general health check this coming Thursday where he says, as long as he thinks I'm over it, he can give me a "Healthy and safe to travel" letter. He says I won't be contagious at all now but still, a PCR test will probably show positive.
I don't know, it seems like a cheat to me (and very un-Swiss) and I have no idea if the Dutch will allow me in (or even if I'll be allowed to board at ZH). He told me they have issued a few of these and no one has come back to say they were denied travel.
Any ideas? | | | | | You will need a negative PCR test to get into the Netherlands, see https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/NLD/7001 : From an EU Member State or Schengen Associated Country, may I enter this country without being subject to extraordinary restrictions?
PARTIALLY
As of 29 December all people aged 13 or more must be able to present a negative COVID-19 test result, if they are coming from a high-risk area in the EU/Schengen area (with the exception of Iceland) to the Netherlands. The government provides a list of countries concerned. This measure concerns passenger transport by aircraft, ferry or international intercity train or coach, travelling more than 30km into the Netherlands from the border.
This requirement applies to all passengers, including Dutch nationals and nationals of other EU and Schengen countries. If a passenger is unable to present a negative test result, they may not travel to the Netherlands and will not be permitted to board the aircraft or ferry.
Belgium has a similar rule at the moment. My partner drove back there from Switzerland on Saturday, and she received a code via text message to book a mandatory test before she had even got as far as Metz. She had to do the test the same day, within a couple of hours of arrival.
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04.01.2021, 16:21
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately. | | | | | not relevant. travel within Schengen is allowed for British nationals (and anyone else living in the EU or Schengen). | Quote: |  | | | If you live in an EU member state or a Schengen country, you can travel to the Netherlands. It does not matter what the purpose of your journey is. Your family members can travel with you. Family members are your children and the person you are married to, have a registered partnership with, or have had a long-term relationship with for a period of at least 6 months. First check whether your family members need a visa.
Please note: you may be required to self-quarantine for 10 days on arrival in the Netherlands. This depends on the country you are travelling from. Find out whether you need to self-quarantine and, if so, what the rules are. | | | | | https://www.government.nl/topics/c/c...he-netherlands | This user would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post: | | 
04.01.2021, 16:21
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Anyone have experience or thoughts on this?
I was tested positive Dec 22nd. My quarantine ended 1st Jan, I feel fine now, just tired still so I called my Dr to ask about a 2nd test so I can fly to NL to have a belated Xmas with my GF.
He told me that if I get tested this week, or even next, it's 95% certain that the test will still come back positive. I have an appointment for a general health check this coming Thursday where he says, as long as he thinks I'm over it, he can give me a "Healthy and safe to travel" letter. He says I won't be contagious at all now but still, a PCR test will probably show positive.
I don't know, it seems like a cheat to me (and very un-Swiss) and I have no idea if the Dutch will allow me in (or even if I'll be allowed to board at ZH). He told me they have issued a few of these and no one has come back to say they were denied travel.
Any ideas? | | | | | Hi, we have some experience with this. My son was tested positive and after 10 days of isolation was allowed to go back to school, no additional test done. At the same time my daughter was quarantined because of her brother's positive test. She was tested negative in the beginning of her quarantine, was quarantined for a couple of weeks, but allowed to go back to work only after another negative test by the end of her quarantine.
I think it is better to call the airline and ask.
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04.01.2021, 16:35
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately. | | | | | does anybody have any first hand experience of this?
I was in Schiphol last week for a connecting flight (Schengen- internal), so I didn't go landside. But I didn't have the impression that any special measures were in place, and definitely no attempts to segregate people by nationality or country of origin.
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04.01.2021, 16:46
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Just to be clear, those numbers you've quoted are per 100,000 of population. So you need to multiply them by about 86 to get the total case numbers for Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Therefore the peak was around 9,000 new cases on 1.11.2000, etc. | | | | |
Indeed, new cases per 100K people in CH. What matters is we've been stuck around 50 new cases per 100K (~4300 absolute number) since 20.11.2020, about 5 weeks.
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04.01.2021, 22:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I suspect the title has deterred some from reading. However, that is a well written article you have cited from a credible source and it includes a plethora of references to other articles with some compelling arguments. It will be interesting to see the results from future studies of the current period.
I find the below excerpt particularly apposite: | Quote: |  | | | The upshot is that the virus is going to do as viruses do, same as always in the history of infectious disease. We have extremely limited control over them, and that which we do have is bound up with time and place. Fear, panic, and coercion are not ideal strategies for managing viruses. Intelligence and medical therapeutics fare much better. | | | | | | This user would like to thank Polymath for this useful post: | | 
04.01.2021, 22:30
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately. | | | | | irrelevant as a resident of Schengen, amazed you don't realise this, or you do but so anti Brexit pretend it's a BREXIT issue | This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post: | | 
04.01.2021, 22:39
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Betty giving a piece of her mind about the way the UK is planning to change vaccination protocol- she is brilliant https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1...683556353?s=20 | This user groans at JackieH for this post: | | 
04.01.2021, 22:41
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If I'm reading the BBC website correctly 1 in 60 residents in much of East London and Essex has been diagnosed in the last 7 days.
Given that's realistically 1 in 20 or 30 and that even with full lockdown R is unlikely to go significantly below 1 and there's already a high % had the disease they are heading for herd immunity in the next few weeks.
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04.01.2021, 22:43
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Not sure whether that's Alzheimer's or just stupidity. Even by Labour Party standards that's particularly innumerate. She's made a complete fool of herself on national television.
Anyone who doesn't follow this strategy has blood on their hands. Net Protection from 2 doses in 2 people is greater than 2 doses in 1 person. It's that simple.
Yes it's not the best vaccination strategy at the individual level but given the desperate situation it is the best at the population level. She doesn't seem to understand that distinction.
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04.01.2021, 22:46
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How difficult for you- but also bear in mind that British passport holders have been refused access in Netherlands lately. | | | | | The Brits aren't in Schengen, so what did you expect?
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