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It's certainly not unreasonable for you to be personally concerned.
However your first post 'It's terrifying' implies everyone should be terrified.
There are impressionable people and youngsters reading this forum.
Maybe I could have worded it less dramatically but my points still stand. You can take all the personal responsibility in the world,but if other people are not doing the same and are being reckless and selfish you have good reason to be fearful.
Then you have the doubters and the conspiracy theorists who won't believe it until it actually bites them on the backside! Not naming names but he knows who I am referring to.
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Todays published numbers are 4020 out of 24 k tests

208 hospitalisations
98 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
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Old 05.01.2021, 14:44
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Todays published numbers are 4020 out of 24 k tests

208 hospitalisations
98 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
Your daily updates are really helpful,thank you!
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Todays published numbers are 4020 out of 24 k tests

208 hospitalisations
98 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
So seems we are on a steady keel? @1/6th seems the norm.
Time for the mutant virus to make an entrance and pump those numbers a bit.
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Old 05.01.2021, 14:57
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Current understanding is that children are far less likely to be responsible for transmission than adults.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...vid-19-schools
well, we were unlucky
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Old 05.01.2021, 14:59
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well, we were unlucky
Of course there will always be incidents, but the point remains that if you follow guidelines and watch out for yourself then you are unlikely to catch the virus. Blaming everyone else is just senseless.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:00
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Please, this isn't Facebook.
If you follow the guidelines you're not going to get it.
If you do get it the chances of survival are @99% overall.
Adjust your behaviour to suit your risk profile.
What planet are you on?

If you follow the guidelines, you can still get COVID. For example, I am not in physical contact with anyone outside of my household and haven't been for months. I wear a mask everywhere, use hand-sanitizer, distance in the stores, etc. But my 9-year old could bring that virus home from school any day. No matter how careful we are, there is no way of ensuring that he does not bring that virus home from school. Not to mention the fact that going for a dentist appt. or to a doctor's appt. can make you exposed to the virus. My husband's co-worker caught it from his wife, who is an ICU nurse.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:03
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Of course there will always be incidents, but the point remains that if you follow guidelines and watch out for yourself then you are unlikely to catch the virus. Blaming everyone else is just senseless.
following guidelines worked for me almost a year in CH
when I visited my family in SWE, in my kids announced that there is some catched the virus. after few days we catched it too
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:03
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Ha, appreciate the irony of Vitamin C.

I don't know the amount of Vitamin D in osteoporosis supplements, but the population at risk is already getting their dose. So, is there a difference between elder people taking osteoporosis supplements and the rest? That's a huge natural experiment.
I would guess osteoporosis supplements contain the 'official' RDA (400 IU, but increasingly 800 IU is being preferred). This amount is based on old studies for the minimum needed to prevent rickets, but isn't necessarily sufficient for the immune system benefits. I did a personal experiment some time ago where I couldn't raise my OH(25)D levels at all on a 400 IU daily dose after after reducing the levels to insufficiency with a deliberate supplement fast.

I don't know what happens in Swiss nursing homes, but French nursing homes give vitamin D supplements in a bolus form every two or three months. There was an interesting study recently that showed worse COVID-19 symptoms the further away the patient was from their last bolus dose. It may be preferred to give daily or weekly doses.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:06
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What planet are you on?

If you follow the guidelines, you can still get COVID. For example, I am not in physical contact with anyone outside of my household and haven't been for months. I wear a mask everywhere, use hand-sanitizer, distance in the stores, etc. But my 9-year old could bring that virus home from school any day. No matter how careful we are, there is no way of ensuring that he does not bring that virus home from school. Not to mention the fact that going for a dentist appt. or to a doctor's appt. can make you exposed to the virus. My husband's co-worker caught it from his wife, who is an ICU nurse.
This is why it would be sensible to close the schools at this point.
Positive action taken now will save lives. The Swiss government sitting on their hands is so dangerous.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:12
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Todays published numbers are 4020 out of 24 k tests

208 hospitalisations
98 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
Tests are still quite a bit below what they were before Christmas. Positivity is up from 12ish to 16ish %. I guess we would be around 6000 if we tested like mid December.
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I'd hand out 2000 UI of vitamin D3 per person, as well as 1000mg of n-acetylcysteine[1] (plentiful glutathione is essential for good lung function) and possibly quercetin too. None of these things will make you immortal, but there are documented benefits.
Quercetin is amazing ... I have mast cell disorder & I couldn't function without it. Works miraculously for allergies too.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:19
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This is why it would be sensible to close the schools at this point.
Positive action taken now will save lives. The Swiss government sitting on their hands is so dangerous.
I agree. 100%.

It's really frustrating to see the authorities complain about the numbers and constantly mention the increasing risks, etc. but continue to do nothing to really try to change it. They apparently think it's better to wait until the situation becomes much worse than to try to prevent it from getting to that point in the first place.

If they want to keep the economy open, then keep kids home from school and see how that effects the #'s. I don't believe for one second that primary school kids cannot bring the virus home to their parents. My 9-year old brings colds home to us from school every year (including a bad one last month), and there is no logical reason to think that the COVID virus is any different in that regard.
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What planet are you on?
Obviously not planet Hysteria
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If you're that concerned for yourself then just stay at home. Unless you're a key worker, stuck in a hospital or a care home then it's 90% your own fault if you catch Covid! Stop blaming everyone else!
Sorry, but that is a bit harsh. This is called a pandemic for a reason; we are all in this together, like it or not. Unfortunately many have done everything possible and still got the virus. And most importantly there are those that can't achieve protection on their own, that's why it's important everyone do their part, some more, some less, depending on situation. I don't find it much different that common courtesy. Laying the blame game during a pandemic is not the way to go.
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Look TonyClifton ... you will never convince any of us who take this situation as sincerely as we should, to believe in your nonsense - in the same way there is absolutely nothing we could say to change your dull-witted mind.

Groaning & spewing more nonsense at someone who is expressing condolences to someone who has lost loved ones, is beyond offensive and should get you banned again.
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Look TonyClifton ... you will never convince any of us who take this situation as sincerely as we should, to believe in your nonsense - in the same way there is absolutely nothing we could say to change your dull-witted mind.

Groaning & spewing more nonsense at someone who is expressing condolences to someone who has lost loved ones, is beyond offensive and should get you banned again.
Tony is many things, but he's not a serial groaner.
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Old 05.01.2021, 15:29
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Obviously not planet Hysteria
No, but Planet Delusions... clearly.

You know -- that planet where people base their beliefs on what they want to be true rather than what is true.

I wonder how many people in the world thought that other people were being hysterical about the virus before they themselves caught it or lost a loved one to it. I have an old friend who is like that. She and her husband both thought that people were overreacting about the virus, and now her mother is in a hospital bed, in a coma, hooked up to a ventilator, after contracting COVID.
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I agree. 100%.

It's really frustrating to see the authorities complain about the numbers and constantly mention the increasing risks, etc. but continue to do nothing to really try to change it. They apparently think it's better to wait until the situation becomes much worse than to try to prevent it from getting to that point in the first place.

If they want to keep the economy open, then keep kids home from school and see how that effects the #'s. I don't believe for one second that primary school kids cannot bring the virus home to their parents. My 9-year old brings colds home to us from school every year (including a bad one last month), and there is no logical reason to think that the COVID virus is any different in that regard.
I'm also hoping they shut non essential shops again. But they probably won't!
I can only think that their current thinking is purely based on finances and not people losing their lives?
In the meantime I will continue to stay home as much as possible. Myself and my husband alternate shopping days. Carry hand sanitizer.Shop locally only. Exercise locally only.
I know we are doing the most we can to avoid infection.
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I'm also hoping they shut non essential shops again. But they probably won't!
I can only think that their current thinking is purely based on finances and not people losing their lives?
In the meantime I will continue to stay home as much as possible. Myself and my husband alternate shopping days. Carry hand sanitizer.Shop locally only. Exercise locally only.
I know we are doing the most we can to avoid infection.
I'm willing to bet that "non-essential shops" are not an important vector. Ultimately lots of people are still visiting and eating with extended family. That's the problem and always was.

Has anyone here actually been infected if taking all the precautions AND isn't in a risky profession AND doesn't have kids or a partner in a risky profession?

That's to say I don't think many people who just go shopping get infected at all.
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